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Grover wrote:All that AND a dog run! Now everyone should be happy
Everyone but migueltejada. He hates dogs.
Many times individual balconies make a building look pretty gaudy. Not on this building; good design!
Cool picture. It is great seeing a modern building in this location. We should give an award to the first new residential building that breaks ground. Or maybe we should wait until it is completed. Anyway, it is good news - a great way to start the weekend.
PS: I love modern buildings with balconies. More, more, more please.
PS: I love modern buildings with balconies. More, more, more please.
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Not overly impressed with the base, but i'm sure that's just parking.... I love the tower over all and think that giant square cutout on the southwest side is pretty darn cool. I love the idea that everyone has a balcony. 
-I love our old city, nothing can replace all the beautiful historic architecture we are so blessed to have. But what i love even more is a mix of new and old we are soon to experience with this project and others.
-I love our old city, nothing can replace all the beautiful historic architecture we are so blessed to have. But what i love even more is a mix of new and old we are soon to experience with this project and others.
A major reason for the location of this building is the "secured" view to the ESE. Lucas Park, the Central Library, the Shell Building and Christ Church Cathedral mean this building has some of the most attractive urban views in the entire region, and they won't be easily threatened.
Pricing will be very competitive for the nature of this project; my biggest fear is it might kill what little momentum the Park Pacific Cityside still has left.
Pricing will be very competitive for the nature of this project; my biggest fear is it might kill what little momentum the Park Pacific Cityside still has left.
Sale center. A little homework on CIN and you can probably even figure out where it'll be.citywatcher wrote:Their website says GRAND OPENING MAY 5 2007
I wonder what they are referring to? a sales center? groundbreaking?
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gerwitz wrote:A major reason for the location of this building is the "secured" view to the ESE. Lucas Park, the Central Library, the Shell Building and Christ Church Cathedral mean this building has some of the most attractive urban views in the entire region, and they won't be easily threatened.
Pricing will be very competitive for the nature of this project; my biggest fear is it might kill what little momentum the Park Pacific Cityside still has left.
Speaking of views, only bummer could be for those who bought units on the NE side of Ely Walker. They may end up losing their arch views but hard to tell.
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I love everything about this project. It marks an entirely new era for downtown St. Louis. I knew new construction was on the way, but this is sooner than I imagined. FANTASTIC.
A few comments.
1. Good news. Regardless of how soft the residential market downtown might be, it is clear for downtown to make the next step in so many ways, new construction must proceed. Having another horse in that race (along with the BV, Park Pacific, and the Roberts Brothers) is a good thing. Given its location, I think this project almost immediately becomes the #2 favorite behind the BV to actually be constructed due to its location (over the Park Pacific because of rumors of poor sales and its isolated location).
2. Makes you wonder what else could be in that area if the City would ever take on the NLEC.
3. Miguel likes dogs just fine. Just not excitable ones that hump your leg. Those get put to sleep.
Seriously, not to screw with B-12, but downtown only needs so many do parks. The idea of proposing one in many places is a ubiquitous as proposing a Starbucks, so his comments are very valid.
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As I have said before, the Downtown St. Louis Partnership uses inflated numbers because it takes in areas north of Cole into such calcuations. So, while there is no doubt that a large number of residential units have been constructed since 1988 and many since 2005, the number above are high.
1. Good news. Regardless of how soft the residential market downtown might be, it is clear for downtown to make the next step in so many ways, new construction must proceed. Having another horse in that race (along with the BV, Park Pacific, and the Roberts Brothers) is a good thing. Given its location, I think this project almost immediately becomes the #2 favorite behind the BV to actually be constructed due to its location (over the Park Pacific because of rumors of poor sales and its isolated location).
2. Makes you wonder what else could be in that area if the City would ever take on the NLEC.
3. Miguel likes dogs just fine. Just not excitable ones that hump your leg. Those get put to sleep.
Seriously, not to screw with B-12, but downtown only needs so many do parks. The idea of proposing one in many places is a ubiquitous as proposing a Starbucks, so his comments are very valid. 4.
Grover wrote:According to a midyear 2006 study by the Downtown St. Louis Partnership, 1,275 new rental units and 6,088 for-sale units had been added downtown since 1988. The partnership also says there are now 7,400 rental and for-sale units available downtown, a number expected to grow by 1,300 units in 2007.
Is this true? There have been a total of 7,358 units added downtown since 1988 and there are now 7,400 total units available? I hope I'm missing something - or else the market is f***ed.
As I have said before, the Downtown St. Louis Partnership uses inflated numbers because it takes in areas north of Cole into such calcuations. So, while there is no doubt that a large number of residential units have been constructed since 1988 and many since 2005, the number above are high.
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Perfect addition for Wash ave, I'm surprised no one on the forum had not heard of this project, I don't even remember hearing a rumor.
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JMedwick wrote: 2. Makes you wonder what else could be in that area if the City would ever take on the NLEC.
How awesome would the vacant lot to the east of NLEC be for infill? It could have condos with balconies directly facing Lucas Park and the Shell Building (my favorite).
^ Not simply the views, but the enhanced feeling of saftey in the area. I am sure it would have a postive impact on sales (retail and loft) in the area and would even help sales at the Park Pacific.
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all this talk of a saturated market floors me - downtown is so underutilized that I would expect demand to GROW as more residents arrive.
markofucity wrote:all this talk of a saturated market floors me - downtown is so underutilized that I would expect demand to GROW as more residents arrive.
It will be interesting to see how pre-sales go
I like the design, and am kinda stunned this is a pretty bold move, if successful it could spell great things that I was not counting on for years.
Although I am surprised to see that a new residential tower could line Washington Avenue, I am not surprised that new residential towers are being planned for downtown.
I knew that new development was coming. Lawrence Group, The Roberts Brothers and Pinnacle - among others - sent that signal awhile ago. Most of downtown's old and historic buildings are either under rehab or rehabbed. There's still some untouched, but not many.
Also, I believe if the TIF, which I believe is appropriate, passes, this project will break ground within weeks. The Chicago-boys don't appear to play around.
BTW, SShoes is reporting that Lawrence Group's project will start at the end of month.
I knew that new development was coming. Lawrence Group, The Roberts Brothers and Pinnacle - among others - sent that signal awhile ago. Most of downtown's old and historic buildings are either under rehab or rehabbed. There's still some untouched, but not many.
Also, I believe if the TIF, which I believe is appropriate, passes, this project will break ground within weeks. The Chicago-boys don't appear to play around.
BTW, SShoes is reporting that Lawrence Group's project will start at the end of month.
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break ground within weeks??? no pre-sales? 
I guess I don't understand how this could be weeks from construction already.
I guess I don't understand how this could be weeks from construction already.
I said "weeks" because I don't think it will take "months" like so many other projects proposed for downtown.
Sure there will be a pre-sales period, but I don't think there'll be any problems meeting a 40-50% requirement for a new project along Washington Avenue unless it doesn't get marketed appropriately.
Sure there will be a pre-sales period, but I don't think there'll be any problems meeting a 40-50% requirement for a new project along Washington Avenue unless it doesn't get marketed appropriately.
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http://www.metropolitan-us.com/index.html
doesn't appear they have any similar developments. What do we know about metropolitan?
doesn't appear they have any similar developments. What do we know about metropolitan?
Does it matter? It appears they have some quality developments.bpe235 wrote:http://www.metropolitan-us.com/index.html
doesn't appear they have any similar developments. What do we know about metropolitan?
Did we know about Pinnacle, Orchard Development, Silverstone when they marched into downtown? Yet, all of them and other out-of-towners have developed quality projects downtown.
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If and when we build the North & South Metrolink extension, this building is well places at two short blocks from the station at 14th and Delmar.
TOD!
TOD!
irocktheparty2000 wrote:Speaking of views, only bummer could be for those who bought units on the NE side of Ely Walker. They may end up losing their arch views but hard to tell.
Here's a recent shot east from the 6th floor of Ely Walker:
Looks like Sky House will be about the width of the Monkey Building (with the hole in the roof). As for the height, I don't think the framing of this photo captures 22 floors at that location. I look forward to a future Ely Walker resident taking the "after" shot.
Certainly a shame for those on Ely's east side who were banking on that view, but it's going to be great to have even more residents and retail rooted west of 14th; hopefully that's a fair trade.
I really like the design of this building. Great to come home and see this proposal appear out of the blue.
That shot looking down Washington makes me think of one of the great urban-living cities, like Seattle or something. I sure hope this happens!