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PostJan 19, 2010#166

Yes, I am copying/pasting my own comment from the Crime Thread here on Urban Living.
Interesting. I'm the last person to pull the race card, and I think all should be responsible for their actions. Blaming society has grown tired, and feeling sorry for criminals boils my blood.

Yet, I find it interesting that an article was posted about a South Grand Walgreen's being robbed, and the security camera photo is a 5'6 chubby white male.

It was posted at 11:43am, and oddly, there are only 7 comments. I've never seen this before.

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/st-lou ... s-robbery/

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PostJan 19, 2010#167

Or what about when people threaten other people on the comment sections? :evil: *Cough JuiceInDogtown, Cough*

So I think it shows that even level headed people somehow just go crazy on those comment sections over at stltoday. Sort of like doing drugs (the hard stuff)

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PostJan 19, 2010#168

zink wrote:Or what about when people threaten other people on the comment sections? :evil: *Cough JuiceInDogtown, Cough*

So I think it shows that even level headed people somehow just go crazy on those comment sections over at stltoday. Sort of like doing drugs (the hard stuff)
PMed you. No idea what you're talking about..supposing you don't either. Your idea of a "threat" and my idea of a "threat" are probably different.

PostJan 21, 2010#169

It was clarified - I never threatened anyone, I made a stab at a heartless, insensitive comment made by our friend zink and took a below the belt shot at Kurt Greenbaum.

Basically the story was about someone running out of insurance money for their kid who has cancer and zink and another user said that the people complaining were greedy and should, in essence, "cut their losses" (let the kid die). As a father, I was very angry, and now that it's been brought to my attention, I'm angry again.

And to be clear, my post on STLToday said that "If I were that kid's parents, I would contact Kurt Greenbaum to get your identities and hunt you down." Not exactly a threat.

If you want to bring "threats" out in to the open on UrbanSTL, I'll bring to the attention something I would hope you would have the decency to keep to yourself in a civiziled public setting. I hope the cancerous kids' parent didn't read your comments.

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PostJan 21, 2010#170

JuiceInDogtown wrote:It was clarified - I never threatened anyone, I made a stab at a heartless, insensitive comment made by our friend zink and took a below the belt shot at Kurt Greenbaum.

Basically the story was about someone running out of insurance money for their kid who has cancer and zink and another user said that the people complaining were greedy and should, in essence, "cut their losses" (let the kid die). As a father, I was very angry, and now that it's been brought to my attention, I'm angry again.

And to be clear, my post on STLToday said that "If I were that kid's parents, I would contact Kurt Greenbaum to get your identities and hunt you down." Not exactly a threat.

If you want to bring "threats" out in to the open on UrbanSTL, I'll bring to the attention something I would hope you would have the decency to keep to yourself in a civiziled public setting. I hope the cancerous kids' parent didn't read your comments.
Zink is a friend of mine and is far from a heartless, insensitive person. I recall what Zink said and understood his comments came from a rational perspective. Clearly, we don't have infinite resources to treat everyone. There are limits and at some point we must come to accept the eventual demise of ourselves and our loved ones.

Juice, although we haven't interacted in person, I consider you a friend as well. Perhaps we can place more effort delving into actual issues than attacking others. The former can be constructive -- the latter is typically not.

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PostJan 21, 2010#171

^ To be fair, I will disclose everything including my actual comment.
If someone wants to hunt me down... I wont take that lieing down. (Because if I do, probably means you already got me :oops: )

Background:
Here is the orginal story and you can see all the comments (Except JuiceinDogtown's because his was removed by the moderator) However, since I have never actually been threatened before, I did save the screenshot. (Hey I am an auditor, what do you expect?)

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... enDocument

Here was my comment to the story.
DevilCat, I agree 100%. In todays age people think there is a cure for everything and will do anything to try and find it. There used to be respect for loved ones that are dying, now it is just greed for those that want to keep them alive because they think they can beat nature.

I also wonder if these treatments are that expensive because they are going to one of the top children's hospitals in the US?


And here is JuiceInDogtown's response:


Was I a little harsh? Maybe. Then again I might just be too into Darwinism. But does that deserve to be "hunted down?" Especially considering that there are meetups of members on this forum...

So going back to my original post... Goes to show that even rational and respected members on this forum, can go crazy on STLToday.

And I am now currently done talking about this.

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PostJan 21, 2010#172

I think there is craziness in the air of the STLToday comment board that can infect you no matter what your views are. In my opinion, that place is to be avoided like the plague it is.

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PostJan 21, 2010#173

I think a discussion on the topic that zink and juice disagree over is extremely important for this society to have. Too bad this isn't the place for it.

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PostJan 21, 2010#174

On a related note, I attended the Society of Professional Journalists luncheon a week ago @ Lucas Park. The topic? Online commenting. Interestingly enough, the panel included Kurt Greenbaum.

I passed out printed copies of http://stltomorrow.org to approximately 30 attendees, including Kurt. He seemed a bit surprised, to say the least.

Punching Kitty's take: http://punchingkitty.com/2010/01/14/kur ... ing-wrong/

Video I recorded(and questioned him about halfway in)

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PostJan 22, 2010#175

zink wrote:^ To be fair, I will disclose everything including my actual comment.
If someone wants to hunt me down... I wont take that lieing down. (Because if I do, probably means you already got me :oops: )

Background:
Here is the orginal story and you can see all the comments (Except JuiceinDogtown's because his was removed by the moderator) However, since I have never actually been threatened before, I did save the screenshot. (Hey I am an auditor, what do you expect?)

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... enDocument

Here was my comment to the story.
DevilCat, I agree 100%. In todays age people think there is a cure for everything and will do anything to try and find it. There used to be respect for loved ones that are dying, now it is just greed for those that want to keep them alive because they think they can beat nature.

I also wonder if these treatments are that expensive because they are going to one of the top children's hospitals in the US?


And here is JuiceInDogtown's response:


Was I a little harsh? Maybe. Then again I might just be too into Darwinism. But does that deserve to be "hunted down?" Especially considering that there are meetups of members on this forum...

So going back to my original post... Goes to show that even rational and respected members on this forum, can go crazy on STLToday.

And I am now currently done talking about this.
And again just to be fair, the quote from devilcat;
OK, here we have a patient with an undiagnosted, immunologically-mediated neurological disease who is getting very expensive treatments, which don't sound all that effective. This is one of those cases of futile therapy, or in other words treating a patient with no real end point or plan in mind. This is one of the major things that is wrong with our healthcare system, although this is caused by unrealistic expectations of the healthcare system. The doctor/medical shows on TV are entertainment; they are not what happens to real patients! The best plan here would be to taper the patient off IVIG and let nature take its course. All the current treatments are doing is preventing him from dying, which sooner or later will happen to all of us. What is being done now shouldn't be allowed to continue.
The kid is 14.

Anywho, I agree, debating it on UrbanSTL is probably not the place.

To zink, I apologize that you took my post to heart and that it was a fairly extreme response by me as well. I was extremely irritated at the lack of sensitivity by some of the commenters, but I guess it is to be expected there. I probably should just swear off STLToday all together.

Again, don't take it to heart, or even somewhat seriously. I'm a pretty mild mannered guy. If we met, you'd probably even like me. ;)

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PostJan 22, 2010#176

JuiceInDogtown wrote:Anywho, I agree, debating it on UrbanSTL is probably not the place.
You would be right. :)

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PostFeb 08, 2010#177

Ok which of you guys is "Billy Bob Bubba Joe St Charles"??

This comment made me :lol:. It's regarding the 2010 Tour of Missouri

Billy Bob Bubba Joe St Charles February 8, 2010 11:30AM CST
Typical liberal drivel from Kinder. This silly 'race' is pure socialism. This is not a sport, and nobody cares about the race. These bikers all hate america anyway.

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PostFeb 10, 2010#178

I just commented on a story.... it looks like they might be changing their system. It said "Waiting for comment to be moderated."

It also looked like a different screen to enter the comments, not to mention my avatar is now gone.

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PostFeb 11, 2010#179

So now comments include voting buttons. But there's a fatal flaw. Once a comment reaches a certain threshold (of either upvotes or downvotes), the vote option is locked out.

Along with some of the usual garbage comments, I'm seeing a handful of decently written and thoughtful comments getting downvoted into the abyss. The only reason I can imagine is that their authors' opinions don't agree with those of the people who had the vote option available to them at the time. And once they comment is below that threshold, they can't be resurrected by well-meaning folks.

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PostFeb 11, 2010#180

you can show them by clicking on a button next to the hidden comment.

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PostFeb 11, 2010#181

ben1040 wrote:So now comments include voting buttons. But there's a fatal flaw. Once a comment reaches a certain threshold (of either upvotes or downvotes), the vote option is locked out.


Along with some of the usual garbage comments, I'm seeing a handful of decently written and thoughtful comments getting downvoted into the abyss. The only reason I can imagine is that their authors' opinions don't agree with those of the people who had the vote option available to them at the time. And once they comment is below that threshold, they can't be resurrected by well-meaning folks.
That threshold issue does look to be a problem. Additionally, I couldn't change my vote, which is something I feel that should be an option. Also, it would be nice if the comments could be sorted from most to least valuable. BTW, there seems to be no way to adjust avatars.

BTW, the comment system you speak of only applies to comments in the "Blog Zone." What blog infrastructure are they using? News articles utilize Domino infrastructure and have an altogether different way of handling comments.

It looks like they are starting to implement some of the capabilities mentioned @ STLtomorrow: http://stltomorrow.org/index.php?option ... 7&Itemid=8. This is a step in the right direction...

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PostFeb 11, 2010#182

Maybe it was a glitch with the story I was reading that the buttons weren't functioning properly.

As for the user icons, it looks like they're farming those out to gravatar.com. I noticed it was showing the gravatar tied to the email address I registered with my stltoday.com account.

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PostFeb 12, 2010#183

I believe that the Post-Dispatch is using Wordpress for its website - certainly for their blogs. STL Today is used as an example of what Wordpress is capable of on some Wordpress galleries. For comments, there are several plugins that can be used.

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PostFeb 12, 2010#184

The "old" comments feature on their Lotus Domino stories is a bolt-on addition from this company:

http://www.theport.com/

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PostFeb 13, 2010#185

Some choice nuggets if anyone cares to reply:
(Warning sirens) EPIC FAIL ALERT!!! EPIC FAIL ALERT!!! This prop has just as much chance of passing as St. LIBous does as being recoginized as one of the safest cities to live in for 2010. BOOOOOOOOOOIIIIIING.
Just another entitlement program promoted by the nanny-culture, do-gooder bureaucrats who want to plan where we live, shop and travel in the area. If there is some process by which these guys can repeatedly propose increases to our tax burden, there ought to be a way in which the ordinary citizens can propose and vote on a decrease in their budget and revenue - and make it stick for 5 years or so! It is time for these public payroll parasites to lift their snouts from the public trough and pay attention to the taxpaying public's clearly expressed wishes.
I was a real working person who contributed to society unlike a lot of the youg non paying punks that use the system and that are on welfare. Get a life and maybe you better start looking for another means of transportation since it is going to fail.
Metro has never been a viable organization and will never be the way it is being run. I am sure Obozo will give Metro more tax dollars borrowed from China after the tax fails.
..of you that can't see the trash on the ghetto Metro drive across Grand between Hyw 40 and Chouteau and see whats coming out of the elevators and running in front of traffic daring you to hit them. They usually look like their running from the police.

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PostFeb 15, 2010#186

Keep it classy St. Louis!

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PostFeb 22, 2010#187

Pete Parisi February 21, 2010 9:52PM CST
Moderator's note: Nearly every comment on this story seems to be posters' lame attempt at being clever or funny, making references to various TV sports or weathercasters. Which is why we are closing comments.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... enDocument

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PostMar 31, 2010#188

I would rather they scrap comments altogether than use the system they have on the "Blogzone" comments. That method "hides" comments that are given low ratings. The problem is folks are disapproving comments they disagree with rather than just ones that are offensive or hateful. Considering the political, demographic and geographic bent of many of those who seem to have all day to spend on the STL Today comment board, well I think we can see where this is going :roll:

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PostJun 08, 2010#189

Sorry to dig up an old thread, but this gem was too good to pass up
Mr.Bossierr June 8, 2010 5:25PM CST
As I've been saying for some time now. St. Louis city (Sodom) has been continuously pushing their social problems into St. Louis county. The city of St. Louis needs to work on its social problems instead of trying to become a Ladue overnight. St. Louis city owes its citizens more than misinformation and money schemes. Lastly, until a wall is built, St. Louis county officers must stay vigilant in patrolling the border.
Page 35: http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... mentAnchor

They need shut down the comments.

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PostJun 08, 2010#190

It seems like any news article about African Americans, crime, the city, or Muslims will elicit some idiotic responses.

This one is interesting, though.
Mr Brown: This comment is coming from one of you–an African American–and I grew up in North St. Louis, attended the crappy public school system, then worked 3 hours after school M-F, studied at night, graduated, then went on to college and now am enrolled in graduate school. The most time my dad spent with me was 10 minutes of fornicating with my mother 24 years ago. And that’s all it was, Claude! Otherwise, he has been out of the picture for 24 years! The public schools are crap, Claude. Why? Not because of Whitey, but because of our cool bros! They make it crap, Claude, because they’re lazy and want to complain about Whitey (because it’s easier than studying and working), and they want that welfare check every month, Claude. You know it and I know it. We’re both “bros”, Claude, so you can’t fool me! I’m tired of feeling embarrassed because I’m Black, Claude. The majority of the entire race embarrasses me, Claude! People like you think you’re doing a great job representing the AA community, but all you’re doing is perpetuating the cancer, Claude. You’re making it OK for Black teens to do little more at school than feel up the girls, threaten the teachers, and defy anyone to teach them anything. If I could bleach my skin and straighten my hair, I’d do it TODAY, Claude. Why? Because I’ve made something of myself, without WELFARE, without any gov’t support, but with the example of my sweet mother and the desire to become….something.

I have to leave now to go to work, Claude. Yes, work! Unfortunately, I’m forced to work 3hours in the morning, then 4 hours at the same place 2 hours after the first shift ends. Pain in the butt? You bet, Claude. But it’s what we have to do to survive. You and the rest of the NAACP should preach that sermon, Claude–not the sermon about Whitey~!
The article:
http://interact.stltoday.com/blogzone/s ... in-nation/

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