Really disappointed in this. The majority of these are to close to use connecting airports, and this leaves us with no directs to get there.jshank83 wrote: ↑Aug 14, 2025Big Southwest network shakeup today in the March extension
Good: Puerto Vallarta added!
Bad: Little Rock, Tulsa, Charlotte, Des Moines, OKC, Wichita all have been cut.
Montego, Punta Cana are back. W Palm Beach is daily (double on Sat)
I’ll need to see what frequencies were added elsewhere to make up for the cuts. But not the ideal situation.
Wichita and Des Moines were moved back to Midway
Tulsa and Little Rock to Nashville
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Looks like the Frankfurt flight has been pulled from the February schedule. Returns in March. February was by far its worst month so I can see why they are taking the month off but still a bit surprised.
Part of January now toojshank83 wrote: ↑Aug 18, 2025Looks like the Frankfurt flight has been pulled from the February schedule. Returns in March. February was by far its worst month so I can see why they are taking the month off but still a bit surprised.
It is still showing bookable thru Jan for me.
In a real country, small-major cities like Des Moines, Wichita, Little Rock, Tulsa, and OKC would all be connented to STL and KC via 125 MPH trains that run multiple times a day. We all know they'd be fairly heavily used when you factor in intermediate stops, but because they wouldn't be lucratively profitable, the government chooses not to focus on its development.
Inter-city buses are a cheaper alternative, but without a serious effort to improve them across the board, they will not be seriously considered.
Is there any chance of some other airline coming in to fill this void? In particular, Long Beach and Burbank. I flew to LA via Long Beach earlier this year and my flight was sold out both ways. Can't imagine that isn't a profitable route.
Inter-city buses are a cheaper alternative, but without a serious effort to improve them across the board, they will not be seriously considered.
Is there any chance of some other airline coming in to fill this void? In particular, Long Beach and Burbank. I flew to LA via Long Beach earlier this year and my flight was sold out both ways. Can't imagine that isn't a profitable route.
In Winter, LH is cutting their 747-400's to/from NYC JFK. The airline is strapped for.new aircraft and needs more ASAP. With their 6 six weekly flights to STL consistently 80 to 95% full, the airline would certainly want more frequency. I can see though, another EU carrier swooping in to "help out" on alternate days.
As for Burbank and Long Beach moving to Seasonal on Southwest, both of those airports have had significant cuts. I agree, LGB is one of my favorites too.
As for Burbank and Long Beach moving to Seasonal on Southwest, both of those airports have had significant cuts. I agree, LGB is one of my favorites too.
No to Long Beach. That airport is basically all Southwest now. They have been cutting routes from LGB for the last year. I do like that airport a lot so it’s a shame it’s going away.Auggie wrote: ↑Aug 19, 2025In a real country, small-major cities like Des Moines, Wichita, Little Rock, Tulsa, and OKC would all be connented to STL and KC via 125 MPH trains that run multiple times a day. We all know they'd be fairly heavily used when you factor in intermediate stops, but because they wouldn't be lucratively profitable, the government chooses not to focus on its development.
Inter-city buses are a cheaper alternative, but without a serious effort to improve them across the board, they will not be seriously considered.
Is there any chance of some other airline coming in to fill this void? In particular, Long Beach and Burbank. I flew to LA via Long Beach earlier this year and my flight was sold out both ways. Can't imagine that isn't a profitable route.
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In a real country we would still have subsidized air travel and an anti-trust minded DOJ so that it could still be profitable to operate an airline like Ozark air. Instead we have three bad airlines that are more or less the same.
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Sheesh, you're about as psychotic and pissed off as I am....but in a slightly different way. Expound on this fictional "real country" that you are envisioning in your mind? UK? Wakanda?JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Aug 21, 2025In a real country we would still have subsidized air travel and an anti-trust minded DOJ so that it could still be profitable to operate an airline like Ozark air. Instead we have three bad airlines that are more or less the same.
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Clearly you’ve never been to Europe where you can fly around the whole continent for what it costs to go StL-Tulsa on Southwest.
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Actually I have multiple times and flown all over Europe on all the wacky airlines like Vueling and Wizz and EasyJet and Ryan and some others I forgot. I get your point but not sure how we're failing.JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑Aug 24, 2025Clearly you’ve never been to Europe where you can fly around the whole continent for what it costs to go StL-Tulsa on Southwest.
Personally, I think Tulsa is kind of nifty place but maybe it's not quite on the Barcelona or Amsterdam level just yet. Maybe someday. And maybe then there will be airlines to fulfill the insane demand for for STL - Tulsa daily nonstops.
Lufthansa to pause St. Louis-Frankfurt flights for a month in 2026
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local ... 84debafaf4
I thought we were doing good. Is this a capacity/sales issue or is this an equipment availability thing?
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local ... 84debafaf4
I thought we were doing good. Is this a capacity/sales issue or is this an equipment availability thing?
I’m not too worried about it. They cut a bunch of flights for January and February across the network.dweebe wrote: ↑Aug 29, 2025Lufthansa to pause St. Louis-Frankfurt flights for a month in 2026
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local ... 84debafaf4
I thought we were doing good. Is this a capacity/sales issue or is this an equipment availability thing?
Denver also got cut for a month. A dozen other stations got their frequencies cut.
Discover Airlines, owned by Lufthansa, cut PHL for February and Minny for all of winter.
February was our worst month by far.
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1Ge56s ... tid=wwXIfr
Lufthansa goes 5x/week from June - October.
(Jshank, is this what you were teasing on airliners?)
Lufthansa goes 5x/week from June - October.
(Jshank, is this what you were teasing on airliners?)
Yes.shadrach wrote: ↑Sep 01, 2025https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1Ge56s ... tid=wwXIfr
Lufthansa goes 5x/week from June - October.
(Jshank, is this what you were teasing on airliners?)
Lambert is one of 39 major US airports that does not have a "Gate 13", while 41 do have such a number (as of January 2020).
Here's a fun little article about air travel superstitions around the world (for Skeptical Inquirer subscribers only, I'm afraid):
"Fear of Flying and the Search for Gate 13":
https://skepticalinquirer.org/2025/06/f ... r-gate-13/
Here's a fun little article about air travel superstitions around the world (for Skeptical Inquirer subscribers only, I'm afraid):
"Fear of Flying and the Search for Gate 13":
https://skepticalinquirer.org/2025/06/f ... r-gate-13/
For what it’s worth I don’t think it’s intentional. At least not obviously intentional.framer wrote: ↑Sep 03, 2025Lambert is one of 39 major US airports that does not have a "Gate 13", while 41 do have such a number (as of January 2020).
Here's a fun little article about air travel superstitions around the world (for Skeptical Inquirer subscribers only, I'm afraid):
"Fear of Flying and the Search for Gate 13":
https://skepticalinquirer.org/2025/06/f ... r-gate-13/
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Many hotels do not have a 13th floor or use it for back of house so not customer facing, though I think that trend is dying.
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Meanwhile, buildings in Taiwan and other Asian countries skip the 4th floor. In Chinese superstition 4 means death.TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote: ↑Sep 03, 2025Many hotels do not have a 13th floor or use it for back of house so not customer facing, though I think that trend is dying.
Airport commission updates
August checkpoints numbers - 80K more than 2019, 7k more than 2024
Rhonda said June-December for Lufthansa for 5x a week.
Delta to JFK starts Monday
Southwest has been very vocal on 4 connecting hubs and they are STL Nashville Midway Denver. Talking to them about where they can get adds that have a higher number of local market. Said some of WNs pullback in general, not STL specific, in Cali is due to AS/Hawaiian merger and them strengthening on the west coast.
Talking to RJ partners about filling back in some of the markets lost. Didn't exactly sound promising but they are talking. Had a fair amount of businesses who fly to OKC that were disappointed
August checkpoints numbers - 80K more than 2019, 7k more than 2024
Rhonda said June-December for Lufthansa for 5x a week.
Delta to JFK starts Monday
Southwest has been very vocal on 4 connecting hubs and they are STL Nashville Midway Denver. Talking to them about where they can get adds that have a higher number of local market. Said some of WNs pullback in general, not STL specific, in Cali is due to AS/Hawaiian merger and them strengthening on the west coast.
Talking to RJ partners about filling back in some of the markets lost. Didn't exactly sound promising but they are talking. Had a fair amount of businesses who fly to OKC that were disappointed
STL International Airport has a new website https://www.flystl.com/
Like how the layout of air service is.
Like how the layout of air service is.