Christopher Zoellner of Scout Realty Group posted on FB "that deal died." referring to a possible QT at Jamison and Arsenal.
Yes it is bizarre.alexstl wrote: ↑Aug 15, 2022A little off topic here but has anyone noticed how that house with the red roof has been continuing to expand in the past years lol they seem very attached to that awkward lot.
They tore down the house behind it to build a bigger gas station.jshank83 wrote: ↑Aug 15, 2022^I kind of feel like of all places to put a gas station that’s one of the least intrusive ones. A handful of houses flanked by freeway, rail yard, industrial building can’t be the best place to live. I’m would guess they jumped at a chance to sell for a decent price.
What’s up with the circle k on the south side of 44? Are they just rebuilding it? I’d love to see that gone.
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We're all high on creosote and diesel fumes anyway. Or bunker C. Or occasionally even that sweet, sweet coal smoke.quincunx wrote: ↑Aug 16, 2022And take in that tasty benzene!
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Not sure if this is the right thread for this but I wasn't sure it warranted its own thread:
Apparently the Watering Bowl location in South County at the corner of Lemay/Lindbergh where the old Mehlville fire station was is closing next month and the building is set to be demolished for a QT.
Gotta say, that intersection is already a nightmare. Cannot imagine how godawful it'll be with QT traffic added to it.
Apparently the Watering Bowl location in South County at the corner of Lemay/Lindbergh where the old Mehlville fire station was is closing next month and the building is set to be demolished for a QT.
Gotta say, that intersection is already a nightmare. Cannot imagine how godawful it'll be with QT traffic added to it.
I didn't realize the fight against the QT in Creve Coeur is on-going. It's in front of the MO Supreme court.
http://graeserneighbors.org/
http://graeserneighbors.org/
Does anyone know if cities have ever tried to do something like an environmental remediation fee for new developments that would negatively impact the long term viability of a site's development (e.g., gas stations)?
High court sides with Creve Coeur in dispute over proposed Quiktrip
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... the-latest
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QT has taken possession of 6800 Arsenal. Be sure to ask Ward 4 candidates if they support more gas stations.
Good to hear.
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Christ these people are relentless. I'm against adding any new gas stations to the city but the location at least makes sense this time. I would love to see an ordinance requiring any new gas station construction in the city must come at the expense of another. Make them either build on top of it or full remediate the land if they want to build elsewhere.
Better, though there are still ~20 residences within 500 ft.
Apparently QT was floating asking for incentives, the gall. Just look at the massive public spending that has been done to make this location attractive for a gas station.
Great to see the candidates engaged on this.
Indeed we need to cap the number of gas stations. Even better if there was a cap on gas stations and gas pumps and that number declined over time. Also be great if any new one required a contribution to a fund to remediate abandoned underground storage tanks that litter the city and impede development. They should also be forbidden within X feet of residences, schools, day cares, the sick, etc.
Apparently QT was floating asking for incentives, the gall. Just look at the massive public spending that has been done to make this location attractive for a gas station.
Great to see the candidates engaged on this.
Indeed we need to cap the number of gas stations. Even better if there was a cap on gas stations and gas pumps and that number declined over time. Also be great if any new one required a contribution to a fund to remediate abandoned underground storage tanks that litter the city and impede development. They should also be forbidden within X feet of residences, schools, day cares, the sick, etc.
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^I would also add that because they are such an eyesore they need to be required to build out landscaping on all sides that touch sidewalks with a minimum number of trees per SF, bioretention/rainwater collection solutions, etc.
Honest question...
Anyone know if QT has received a tax abatement in the City? I can't think of one recently, but not sure about before that.
Anyone know if QT has received a tax abatement in the City? I can't think of one recently, but not sure about before that.
I agree it 'makes sense' on the location given proximity to the highway, but there's an existing building there that could be any number of uses if it was even put on the market. Was it? There's also one of these about a 1.5 miles away on Hampton (perfectly fitting their City of St. Louis distance network).GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑Jan 27, 2023Christ these people are relentless. I'm against adding any new gas stations to the city but the location at least makes sense this time. I would love to see an ordinance requiring any new gas station construction in the city must come at the expense of another. Make them either build on top of it or full remediate the land if they want to build elsewhere.
Overall just exhausted watching STL city give itself to lame ass, lazy suburban America development. Just speaks volumes and brings down the cultural value of the entire area. Apparently the area is worthless to the critics, let's pile on some more fast food and other assorted visual detritus. It's the same thing with the old Bradburn building on Hampton. Just a terrible swap of land use.
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^I got rather snarky with someone on Twitter who suggested he was undecided if we needed more filling stations or not. Christ, the population has gone no where but down. Maybe we've finally hit bottom, but I'm not quite ready to put money on it. We've got about as many cars as people now. I cannot imagine we will ever again need as many filling stations as we have right now. Some of them are pretty marginal as-is. The idea that we will ever again need a new one strikes me as nothing short of lunacy. How many did we have in the fifties when we had almost three times the population? (And maybe almost as many cars. Maybe actually more.)
^Agreed. Also, it's incredibly backward that no one is considering how EVs are becoming more common and new gas powered cars will probably be off the market in 20 years time or less. It might not be long before gasoline demand itself begins to drop indefinitely.
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^So they need a whole block for a gas station in a neighborhood that already has three less than a quarter mile away? Replacing what might actually be some fairly affordable homes. I have a funny feeling this isn't a preservation review district, but they'll need a zoning change for that. Who's the alder there?
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Welp, I guess if this happens I won't have to go to the Maplewood QT as often seeing as I'll be within walking distance of one.
I assume QT won't make the same mistake as the Circle K on the other side of the highway in not securing the permits to carry liquor.
It is in a Preservation review district. I think they could need lot consolidation, zoning change and/or variances, conditional use permit, liquor license.symphonicpoet wrote: ↑Dec 15, 2024^So they need a whole block for a gas station in a neighborhood that already has three less than a quarter mile away? Replacing what might actually be some fairly affordable homes. I have a funny feeling this isn't a preservation review district, but they'll need a zoning change for that. Who's the alder there?
Ald Narayen
All of this is zoned A
Anyone know in what situations you must have a zoning change rather than variances?