St. Louis Lambert Int. Airport [airline/hub/operations/info]

shadrach · PostFeb 03, 2023#76012023-02-03T14:44+00:00

I’m being fast and loose with the term wonky

The main issue is that a regional asset is run by the City. (Compare that to MSP) The metro counties sometimes complain but no entity (counties nor East-West, Bi-State) has stepped up to offer regional governance. So, because Lambert is run by just the City and not a regional powerhouse it’s easy for the state to be dismissive and do this kind of thing.

jshank83 · PostFeb 03, 2023#76022023-02-03T14:44+00:00

matguy70 wrote: ↑
Feb 03, 2023
sc4mayor wrote: ↑
Feb 03, 2023
I don’t think it’s that “wonky.” The St. Louis business community stepped up with some incentives and secured a flight. No state assistance included…why shouldn’t KC’s business community do the same? And why shouldn’t our region (or any other in Missouri) be able to take advantage of some state money for that purpose?

100 percent.
Like I said... the only "wonky" here is the fact that 5 million for service is being put In a "safety bill" and given to KC. But STL / Missouri politicians and Rhonda are on to it now and want STL's share.

This news came out a year ago because I wasn’t happy with it at the time. I’m curious why just now people are pushing back. Should have happened then.

soulardx · PostFeb 03, 2023#76032023-02-03T14:45+00:00

gary kreie wrote: ↑
Feb 03, 2023
Why are St Louis and KC metros treated the same by the state of Missouri when so much of the KC metro is in Kansas. KC makes up about 20% of Missouri economy and St Louis around 40%. Is our state subsidizing Kansas?

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Gary, you were a big Rams guy too, so may remember this better than me, but who was the KC-area Missouri state legislator who p*ssed and moaned so much in 2015 when the the state was poised to give some $$ to the Riverfront Stadium. Dude was all like "why should the state/KC pay for STL stuff? This ain't right."

Wonder what he thinks about state doing this sh*t with KCI?

All-in-all, the vast majority of MAGA MO state politicians have an intense hatred of cities and want Missouri sparsely populated and rural. MAGA MO state politicians absolutely do NOT want to see STL grow and succeed as it would undermine their own power.

imperialmog · PostFeb 03, 2023#76042023-02-03T15:19+00:00

A big issue is with the money is in the case of STL, is there much of an ability at this time to expand service beyond frequency for Lufthansa (and thats not increased because of airline staffing issues which also affects other cities)? Since you would need to add more international gates and not sure if that is possible or even feasible with the terminal replacement progress. Of course international service from places with preclearance would not be an issue and if a place like Cancun gets that it would free up a lot.

In terms of service and STL may be better to focus more on more domestic service, with the west coast in particular. Though that may also be hindered by staffing at airlines and possibly even fleet size.

jshank83 · PostFeb 03, 2023#76052023-02-03T17:41+00:00

imperialmog wrote: ↑
Feb 03, 2023
A big issue is with the money is in the case of STL, is there much of an ability at this time to expand service beyond frequency for Lufthansa (and thats not increased because of airline staffing issues which also affects other cities)? Since you would need to add more international gates and not sure if that is possible or even feasible with the terminal replacement progress. Of course international service from places with preclearance would not be an issue and if a place like Cancun gets that it would free up a lot.

In terms of service and STL may be better to focus more on more domestic service, with the west coast in particular. Though that may also be hindered by staffing at airlines and possibly even fleet size.

Dublin has pre-clearance. I still think that’s the next target.

imperialmog · PostFeb 03, 2023#76062023-02-03T18:21+00:00

jshank83 wrote: ↑
Feb 03, 2023
imperialmog wrote: ↑
Feb 03, 2023
A big issue is with the money is in the case of STL, is there much of an ability at this time to expand service beyond frequency for Lufthansa (and thats not increased because of airline staffing issues which also affects other cities)? Since you would need to add more international gates and not sure if that is possible or even feasible with the terminal replacement progress. Of course international service from places with preclearance would not be an issue and if a place like Cancun gets that it would free up a lot.

In terms of service and STL may be better to focus more on more domestic service, with the west coast in particular. Though that may also be hindered by staffing at airlines and possibly even fleet size.
Dublin has pre-clearance. I still think that’s the next target.

That makes sense to avoid the space issue. Since I recall there are some time periods that have no room for landings which only increases when Lufthansa increases frequency.

shadrach · PostFeb 03, 2023#76072023-02-03T21:34+00:00

soulardx wrote: ↑
Feb 03, 2023
gary kreie wrote: ↑
Feb 03, 2023
Why are St Louis and KC metros treated the same by the state of Missouri when so much of the KC metro is in Kansas. KC makes up about 20% of Missouri economy and St Louis around 40%. Is our state subsidizing Kansas?

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Gary, you were a big Rams guy too, so may remember this better than me, but who was the KC-area Missouri state legislator who p*ssed and moaned so much in 2015 when the the state was poised to give some $$ to the Riverfront Stadium. Dude was all like "why should the state/KC pay for STL stuff? This ain't right."

Wonder what he thinks about state doing this sh*t with KCI?

All-in-all, the vast majority of MAGA MO state politicians have an intense hatred of cities and want Missouri sparsely populated and rural. MAGA MO state politicians absolutely do NOT want to see STL grow and succeed as it would undermine their own power.

I think that was Rob Schaff from St. Joseph.

jshank83 · PostFeb 05, 2023#76082023-02-05T20:02+00:00

United updated their June schedule. BIG bump in mainline flights. 9 a day. Last year was 2 a day. Sometimes there are none.

Denver goes all mainline 4x
IAH/ORD get 2
Newark 1.

Not sure if it is them finally seeing how their partner Lufthansa is doing but it is good to see. About a 55% bump in seats over last year. Just need SFO back

ldai_phs · PostFeb 05, 2023#76092023-02-05T22:14+00:00

However, international service to Europe materialized in 2022 instead of the forecast 2036, with thrice weekly flights to Frankfurt, Germany, starting in June 2022. Although the associated enplanement numbers are relatively low, international passengers have a greater impact on facilities, and as such, these enplanements should be added to the projections for FY 2032 and FY 2037. It is estimated that approximately 60% of the Frankfurt enplanements is new traffic. The remaining 40% of Frankfurt enplanements are diverted from connecting flights to Europe (i.e. 40% of the Frankfurt enplanements would have occured at STL without the Frankfurt flight).Found this on FLYSTL.COM

jshank83 · PostFeb 06, 2023#76102023-02-06T02:28+00:00

ldai_phs wrote: ↑
Feb 05, 2023
However, international service to Europe materialized in 2022 instead of the forecast 2036, with thrice weekly flights to Frankfurt, Germany, starting in June 2022. Although the associated enplanement numbers are relatively low, international passengers have a greater impact on facilities, and as such, these enplanements should be added to the projections for FY 2032 and FY 2037. It is estimated that approximately 60% of the Frankfurt enplanements is new traffic. The remaining 40% of Frankfurt enplanements are diverted from connecting flights to Europe (i.e. 40% of the Frankfurt enplanements would have occured at STL without the Frankfurt flight).Found this on FLYSTL.COM

Link?

matguy70 · PostFeb 06, 2023#76112023-02-06T13:23+00:00

I went to book flights from STL to MILAN on Lufthansa for March and April and the seats are almost full on the STL to Frankfurt flights. This will be our third time on Lufthansa's nonstops to FRA from STL and we love it.

DogtownBnR · PostFeb 20, 2023#76122023-02-20T14:14+00:00

Just curious... Is there any semi-official timeline on the new Lambert terminal? I am watching all of this fanfare on the KCI terminal and it got me wondering. Are the wheels spinning in the background as we speak or is this process slogging along at a snails pace? If anyone in the know had to place a wager, when would you expect this project to start?

Also, who will be the forces behind the planning process for the new terminal? Will it be the City, the regional airport commission, etc?

dbInSouthCity · PostFeb 20, 2023#76132023-02-20T14:27+00:00

Construction in 2025 at best i would say and maybe even as late as 2027

DogtownBnR · PostFeb 20, 2023#76142023-02-20T14:33+00:00

^All things considered, that is not too far away. With that kind of timeline, working through the logistical issues, working within the current footprint and keeping the airport running during construction, would take a lot of planning. To me, that would mean to wheels are turning as we speak. Engineers, architects and designers are hard at work on the planning process. (I hope!)

dbInSouthCity · PostFeb 20, 2023#76152023-02-20T14:56+00:00

I haven't paid much attention to this so i don't know if they're going through this process to meet a FAA requirement or because they're actually planning to build a new airport....to me in seems like we are in the pre game warm up of the process if we are actually building an airport and the game could go to extra innings.

jshank83 · PostFeb 20, 2023#76162023-02-20T15:19+00:00

I think it’s on schedule so far.

Easiest partial opening I think is 2030. But as other the mention still a lot of unknowns while they continue through the process.

PostFeb 20, 2023#76172023-02-20T20:16+00:00

ldai_phs · PostFeb 20, 2023#76182023-02-20T22:10+00:00

jshank83 wrote:I think it’s on schedule so far.

Easiest partial opening I think is 2030. But as other the mention still a lot of unknowns while they continue through the process.

I thought airport commission had something about how Southwest hired an airline rep consultant for the new terminal

jshank83 · PostFeb 21, 2023#76192023-02-21T01:10+00:00

ldai_phs wrote: ↑
Feb 20, 2023
jshank83 wrote:I think it’s on schedule so far.

Easiest partial opening I think is 2030. But as other the mention still a lot of unknowns while they continue through the process.
I thought airport commission had something about how Southwest hired an airline rep consultant for the new terminal

It wasn’t terminal related. The normal rates and charges contract is up.

ldai_phs · PostFeb 21, 2023#76202023-02-21T01:40+00:00

jshank83 wrote:
ldai_phs wrote: ↑
Feb 20, 2023
jshank83 wrote:I think it’s on schedule so far.

Easiest partial opening I think is 2030. But as other the mention still a lot of unknowns while they continue through the process.
I thought airport commission had something about how Southwest hired an airline rep consultant for the new terminal
It wasn’t terminal related. The normal rates and charges contract is up.

Disappointing. Iirc, the environmental study for KCI was happening around the same time the new use and lease agreement was negotiated.

dweebe · PostFeb 21, 2023#76212023-02-21T12:50+00:00

ldai_phs wrote: ↑
Feb 21, 2023
jshank83 wrote:
ldai_phs wrote: ↑
Feb 20, 2023
I thought airport commission had something about how Southwest hired an airline rep consultant for the new terminal
It wasn’t terminal related. The normal rates and charges contract is up.
Disappointing. Iirc, the environmental study for KCI was happening around the same time the new use and lease agreement was negotiated.

It’s sad most other cities will have all new or heavily upgraded 21st century terminals while St. Louis will still have a 20th century dinosaur.

goat314 · PostFeb 21, 2023#76222023-02-21T13:45+00:00

dweebe wrote: ↑
Feb 21, 2023
ldai_phs wrote: ↑
Feb 21, 2023
jshank83 wrote:
It wasn’t terminal related. The normal rates and charges contract is up.
Disappointing. Iirc, the environmental study for KCI was happening around the same time the new use and lease agreement was negotiated.
It’s sad most other cities will have all new or heavily upgraded 21st century terminals while St. Louis will still have a 20th century dinosaur.

St. Louis keeps falling further and further behind other cities. It's disgusting.

JaneJacobsGhost · PostFeb 21, 2023#76232023-02-21T14:03+00:00

goat314 wrote: ↑
Feb 21, 2023
dweebe wrote: ↑
Feb 21, 2023
ldai_phs wrote: ↑
Feb 21, 2023
Disappointing. Iirc, the environmental study for KCI was happening around the same time the new use and lease agreement was negotiated.
It’s sad most other cities will have all new or heavily upgraded 21st century terminals while St. Louis will still have a 20th century dinosaur.
St. Louis keeps falling further and further behind other cities. It's disgusting.

Another banger of a post.

PeterXCV · PostFeb 21, 2023#76242023-02-21T15:01+00:00

Count me as someone who doesn't want exorbitant amounts of money expended on the airport.

TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 · PostFeb 21, 2023#76252023-02-21T15:04+00:00

^Airports are crucial pieces of infrastructure, essential for a thriving business community and regional economy. They also act as the welcome mat for any city. So I strongly disagree, the airport is not only one of our most valuable assets, it is also one of the most crucial, and we should invest more, not less.

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