Parking lot on the corner of Grand and Lafayette just north of I-44. I believe SLU hospital owns this lot because it is across Grand from one of their buildings. In all my years I have never seen even one single car parked on this lot and the weeds are typically overgrown. Could easily be built on as an apartment building and has a great location. Notice how often SLU is mentioned in this thread? They really are a problem in this regard.
There are a lot that come to mind for me. Serra Sculpture Park, 11th and Spruce, 9th and Spruce, northern part of BPV, most parking south of Busch Stadium, the list could go on and on.
Can we stop suggesting that we build in the Gateway Mall? Yeah, it sucks but there's plenty of more wasteful land downtown.MRNHS wrote: ↑Jan 22, 2020Serra Sculpture Park,
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At one point SLU used this lot to store student cars that they towed for multiple parking infractions / unpaid tickets on campus. I think they only did that for a short period though as students would just use their (or a friend's) parking pass to open the gate and drive their car back home.SouthCityJR wrote: ↑Jan 22, 2020Parking lot on the corner of Grand and Lafayette just north of I-44. I believe SLU hospital owns this lot because it is across Grand from one of their buildings. In all my years I have never seen even one single car parked on this lot and the weeds are typically overgrown. Could easily be built on as an apartment building and has a great location. Notice how often SLU is mentioned in this thread? They really are a problem in this regard.
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Wow! I hadn't heard about that. Seems like a classic example of wasted prime real estate.chaifetz10 wrote: ↑Jan 22, 2020At one point SLU used this lot to store student cars that they towed for multiple parking infractions / unpaid tickets on campus. I think they only did that for a short period though as students would just use their (or a friend's) parking pass to open the gate and drive their car back home.SouthCityJR wrote: ↑Jan 22, 2020Parking lot on the corner of Grand and Lafayette just north of I-44. I believe SLU hospital owns this lot because it is across Grand from one of their buildings. In all my years I have never seen even one single car parked on this lot and the weeds are typically overgrown. Could easily be built on as an apartment building and has a great location. Notice how often SLU is mentioned in this thread? They really are a problem in this regard.
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My memory is a bit fuzzy, but I think this was back in the 2008 - 2010 ish time frame. Again, I don't think it happened for long at all. And I think this was more of SLU Parking Services just trying to utilize an empty lot rather than some grand long term vision by the University as to what it wanted to do there.
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I thought Grand/Lafayette was going to become a QT.
Lindell/Euclid is one of the most egregious empty lots in St. Louis.
Lindell/Euclid is one of the most egregious empty lots in St. Louis.
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I heavily agree with this to a point. Something still needs to be done about the block to at least make it feel like a useable space because right now its dog poop central. We should not build on the gateway mall as its our urban green space and instead, we need to build on all the wasteful parking lots in downtown....
I wouldn't be so sure that is dog poop, especially inside the Serra sculpture...LArchitecture wrote: ↑Jan 22, 2020I heavily agree with this to a point. Something still needs to be done about the block to at least make it feel like a useable space because right now its dog poop central. We should not build on the gateway mall as its our urban green space and instead, we need to build on all the wasteful parking lots in downtown....
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Here are a few that stand out to me:
Broadway and Washington, NE corner - perfect for a high-rise
Broadway and Spruce - right across from Busch
9th and Spruce - site of Koman's proposed building
11th and Spruce - site of a demolished Cupples warehouse
11th and St. Charles/Locust
2nd and Lucas - Laclede's Landing
1st and Lucas - Laclede's Landing
2nd and Morgan - Laclede's Landing
The lots around the Eat-Rite where I never see any cars parked
Broadway and Washington, NE corner - perfect for a high-rise
Broadway and Spruce - right across from Busch
9th and Spruce - site of Koman's proposed building
11th and Spruce - site of a demolished Cupples warehouse
11th and St. Charles/Locust
2nd and Lucas - Laclede's Landing
1st and Lucas - Laclede's Landing
2nd and Morgan - Laclede's Landing
The lots around the Eat-Rite where I never see any cars parked
14th and Washington. Former Skyhouse proposal. Seems like the perfect spot for infill.
If not the Gateway Mall, how about all these lots adjacent to it. Nobody is spending any time in them, except homeless folks. In fact, we're actively discouraging that by fencing off monuments, removing seating, and in the case of the one adjacent to the library, turning on the sprinklers for 8 hours a day. That also applies to most of Lucas Park, where half the gates are closed, and we pay a park ranger to close the other half nightly.
Last night on Fox 2 they were talking about all the NHL All Star events and ok course he had to throw in parking will be a problem. I almost chocked on my tea.LArchitecture wrote: ↑Jan 22, 2020I heavily agree with this to a point. Something still needs to be done about the block to at least make it feel like a useable space because right now its dog poop central. We should not build on the gateway mall as its our urban green space and instead, we need to build on all the wasteful parking lots in downtown....
If people can't pull to the front door and park then parking is a problem.
At least Fox 2 got the Bo and Luke Duke memorial Market Street flying express ramp addressed before the weekend's events.
https://fox2now.com/2020/01/17/st-louis ... es-report/
https://fox2now.com/2020/01/17/st-louis ... es-report/
Those three yellow ones around Soldiers Memorial are part of the Gateway Mall. The Gateway Mall extends north to the Central Library. I would have no problem building on the ones to the east and west of Soldiers Memorial but the one between the memorial and the library should remain open. Either way, it won't happen, and a public vote would be required to do anything with them anyway.eee123 wrote: ↑Jan 23, 2020If not the Gateway Mall, how about all these lots adjacent to it. Nobody is spending any time in them, except homeless folks. In fact, we're actively discouraging that by fencing off monuments, removing seating, and in the case of the one adjacent to the library, turning on the sprinklers for 8 hours a day. That also applies to most of Lucas Park, where half the gates are closed, and we pay a park ranger to close the other half nightly.
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The line of symmetry between the Central Library, Soldiers Memorial, and the Municipal Courts Building is highly underrated and probably largely unknown by most architecture buffs in this city. Unfortunately the Court of Honor largely ignores this. I would love to redesign the park at 14th & Olive (I can't find a proper name for it online) to emphasize that line of symmetry and the Missouri Pacific Building symmetry. Mark it super Victorian or Beaux-Arts.sc4mayor wrote: ↑Jan 23, 2020the one between the memorial and the library should remain open.
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I use those literally 3-4 times a day....to take my dog out, as does every dog owner in park pacific. Hands off our green space! Cowards!eee123 wrote: ↑Jan 23, 2020If not the Gateway Mall, how about all these lots adjacent to it. Nobody is spending any time in them, except homeless folks. In fact, we're actively discouraging that by fencing off monuments, removing seating, and in the case of the one adjacent to the library, turning on the sprinklers for 8 hours a day. That also applies to most of Lucas Park, where half the gates are closed, and we pay a park ranger to close the other half nightly.
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Totally agree. I would be ok with developing Eternal Flame and Kaufman Parks though, I think it would emphasize that corridor between Central and the Muni Courts building a little more. Love the idea of a Victorian inspired park or garden between Central and Soldiers Memorial.aprice wrote: ↑Jan 23, 2020The line of symmetry between the Central Library, Soldiers Memorial, and the Municipal Courts Building is highly underrated and probably largely unknown by most architecture buffs in this city. Unfortunately the Court of Honor largely ignores this. I would love to redesign the park at 14th & Olive (I can't find a proper name for it online) to emphasize that line of symmetry and the Missouri Pacific Building symmetry. Mark it super Victorian or Beaux-Arts.sc4mayor wrote: ↑Jan 23, 2020the one between the memorial and the library should remain open.
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I’d be fine with developing any of those parks except the one between soldiers and the library, but only after we develop all the parking lots to be of something of higher/better use.eee123 wrote:If not the Gateway Mall, how about all these lots adjacent to it. Nobody is spending any time in them, except homeless folks. In fact, we're actively discouraging that by fencing off monuments, removing seating, and in the case of the one adjacent to the library, turning on the sprinklers for 8 hours a day. That also applies to most of Lucas Park, where half the gates are closed, and we pay a park ranger to close the other half nightly.
Plenty of people do use the one to the east of soldiers especially events such as numerous 5k run start and finishes, parade staging and the blues watch party type of thing to just name a couple. When those aren’t happening it’s a doggy restroom for park pacific pets and that’s about it. I’ve been walking through that park 3-4 times a day the past 2 years and have only ever seen 10 or less people use it for something else.
Literally said that 2 comments ago. Doesn't change the fact I'd like to see it happen.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Jan 24, 2020Developing city parks requires a public vote.
That lot highlighted in the lower right is screaming for a mid-rise apartment building with units overlooking City Garden. Such a good, central location. And no vote needed as it's not park land.
Thanks for resurrecting this thread 'gasm. It's been 11 years, but I'm still struck by how many of the lots in the initial post have been built upon:
Ballpark Village - ~65% complete.
Park & Mississippi Ave (Lafayette Sq.) - albeit with two town houses instead of the multifamily concepts floated previously
Euclid & Pine - The Orion / Whole Foods
Kingshighway & Pine - 100
NE Corner Delmar & Kingshighway - Aldi & White Castle (not exactly ideal land use)
Clayton & Hanley - Clarendale Clayton
Rosedale & Delmar - Everly on the Loop
Tucker & Olive - Park Pacific Garage
Not bad.
Ballpark Village - ~65% complete.
Park & Mississippi Ave (Lafayette Sq.) - albeit with two town houses instead of the multifamily concepts floated previously
Euclid & Pine - The Orion / Whole Foods
Kingshighway & Pine - 100
NE Corner Delmar & Kingshighway - Aldi & White Castle (not exactly ideal land use)
Clayton & Hanley - Clarendale Clayton
Rosedale & Delmar - Everly on the Loop
Tucker & Olive - Park Pacific Garage
Not bad.
And it was far from unknown information then.
Also, why are we always assuming that these votes would fail? People vote on little things all them time.
"No one should ever suggest changes to Bingo regulations in Missouri, that would require a state wide vote"
The same attitude prevails in SD regarding reconfiguring/shrinking Lucier Park. "Don't bother trying, city won't vote for it, mounting a campaign too hard." Seems to me raising the money to build the park anew is harder. If that were in hand, and neighborhood and alderman support (not saying any of this is easy), seems a city vote would be less hard.
I'm frustrated how easy it is to vacate a street while parks have such a high barrier.
I'm frustrated how easy it is to vacate a street while parks have such a high barrier.