Looks that way to me too: the airport (through the City) owns all that land and the only road that is still physically connecting it to the rest of the road network has barriers and "No Trespassing" signs. In fact, I was sort of wondering what the airport had planned for it after snooping around on Google Earth. Guess now we know.
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I think I read somewhere that at least one of the underground tanks got a leak. I am guessing this is the replacement solution.stlcards311 wrote: ↑Mar 01, 2018Interesting. Any speculation as to why this facility is going up? Is there enough demand currently to warrant it? Is the current facility old and/or insufficient?jshank83 wrote: ↑Mar 01, 2018Found this while going through the upload files for the airport.
stl-airlines-to-invest-50-million-for-jet-fuel-storage-facility
https://www.flystl.com/uploads/news/stl ... dering.jpg
I would guess the story will come out today or tomorrow but it looks like a new fuel storage facility is going up in the NE corner of the airport property. Looks like an abandoned neighborhood area.
A corporate HQs move is vastly different than an airline hub move. St. Louisans should know this better than most. For example, Charter moved its corporate HQs (100-150 people) to Connecticut although Charter left thousands of jobs in St. Louis. Delta could do the same. Move the corporate HQs, but leave Atlanta as a hub.
Personally, I don't care where Delta moves - Bermuda or Ireland - just get out of gun-country Georgia.
I think Krewson made a shrewd play. Cities go after St. Louis' corporations why not return the favor.
Personally, I don't care where Delta moves - Bermuda or Ireland - just get out of gun-country Georgia.
I think Krewson made a shrewd play. Cities go after St. Louis' corporations why not return the favor.
Good Point, Delta could easily go retro and move HQ back into Northwest Airlines territory whether it be Twin Cities or Detroit or go for other global cities such as New York and Los Angeles with expanding Delta presence at JFK and LAX. Maybe just moved next door to Boeing Defense in DC Area to carry on the Charter/St Louis theme of the area losing an executive presence but large workforce and infrastructure left behindarch city wrote: ↑Mar 02, 2018A corporate HQs move is vastly different than an airline hub move. St. Louisans should know this better than most. For example, Charter moved its corporate HQs (100-150 people) to Connecticut although Charter left thousands of jobs in St. Louis. Delta could do the same. Move the corporate HQs, but leave Atlanta as a hub.
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And I was just thinking this is cargo world. Maybe it's time to give the freighters the same modern treatment as the people movers. Cargo and corporate. There's more traffic over there these days, and that's doubly true by percentage. I wouldn't have guessed that they'd hook that into the loop by the terminal, though redundancy is never a bad thing, so they just might. Heck, maybe there's already fuel service over there anyway and it's already hooked in. Could just be that it's time for new tanks, as jshank suggests. I guess those don't last forever. Might as well put the noise abatement buys to good use.jshank83 wrote: I think I read somewhere that at least one of the underground tanks got a leak. I am guessing this is the replacement solution.
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As someone who is familiar with underground storage tanks those definitely need replacing due to age. Also it looks like the current facility is next to lot A? I'm guessing maybe after its replaced they could free up the space to expand lot A. The new location is better to allow more capacity and the infrastructure is better for unloading fuel since its away from traffic.
Hopefully when they close the current fuel area they don't discover contamination since old systems like that tend to do that.
Hopefully when they close the current fuel area they don't discover contamination since old systems like that tend to do that.
January numbers are out. Actually better than I thought they would be.
Passengers up 4.4%
Departures up 7%
https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... PubRel.pdf
Passengers up 4.4%
Departures up 7%
https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... PubRel.pdf
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That's really good when you consider this is during the Southwest plane shortage which will continue for a couple more months. Also with winter it can be a bit odd year to year due to weather differences both here and in other key places that would skew numbers.jshank83 wrote: ↑Mar 02, 2018January numbers are out. Actually better than I thought they would be.
Passengers up 4.4%
Departures up 7%
https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... PubRel.pdf
Next Thursday Southwest will be doing another schedule extension, and curious if anything is added here. Of note is they may add things that start earlier than the extension date since they have been doing that lately. Do wonder if one of the next few extensions will be them starting Cincinnatti by say adding 2x daily there ard and remove one flight from Cincinnatti to Chicago. Might make sense for winter travel due to a lot less delays here.
I thought we might be down on Southwest also in January so I was expecting lower. But Southwest is flying bigger planes as they add -800/Max 8 so that helps make up for it. I think we are down in Feb on Southwest (at least flight wise) so if Feb comes back good then we are really in good shape since March has a big jump. I don't really know how the other airlines break out though compared to other years. I wish they included that in the monthly numbers.imperialmog wrote: ↑Mar 02, 2018That's really good when you consider this is during the Southwest plane shortage which will continue for a couple more months. Also with winter it can be a bit odd year to year due to weather differences both here and in other key places that would skew numbers.jshank83 wrote: ↑Mar 02, 2018January numbers are out. Actually better than I thought they would be.
Passengers up 4.4%
Departures up 7%
https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... PubRel.pdf
Next Thursday Southwest will be doing another schedule extension, and curious if anything is added here. Of note is they may add things that start earlier than the extension date since they have been doing that lately. Do wonder if one of the next few extensions will be them starting Cincinnatti by say adding 2x daily there ard and remove one flight from Cincinnatti to Chicago. Might make sense for winter travel due to a lot less delays here.
This is the extension we got Cancun on last year so I think if we were to get another international destination, I think this would be the one. Not that I expect it but this is when I think it would happen.
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Nice catch! Thank you.jshank83 wrote: ↑Mar 02, 2018Fuel storage details.
https://www.flystl.com/newsroom/stl-new ... e-facility
Inside St. Louis Lambert International Airport's USA Customs/Immigration arrival area/baggage claim.
http://www.benhurconstruction.com/renov ... er-patrol/
http://www.benhurconstruction.com/renov ... er-patrol/
jshank83 wrote: ↑Mar 01, 2018They can't just share ground crew (other non flight staff) and Admirals Club with AA? I figured that is what they did at MSY, BNA, AUS, SJC and other stations where they just had one flight or less daily. If they don't it must not have been much of an issue to do those things at those airports.JAL007 wrote: ↑Mar 01, 2018AA is more likely as the overhead associated with staffing a new point goes away. Although STL is no longer a “hub” it is still among the largest non-hub cities in the LAA system with an in-flight cabin crew base, Class 1 aircraft maintenance (operates around the clock with stores, inspectors, and MTC classifications), has the Admirals Club, and can easily handle an additional flight.
BA on the other hand would need to lease facilities, contract a ground handler, and market more heavily in the area. Plus the cabin configurations with AA (especially with the new America West leadership at the helm) is shrinking the size of the premium cabins, which would be more in line with cabin layout STL would need.
IMO IND, SAT, or CMH are also contenders here.
You think IND would get another legacy flight to go with their daily Delta flight to Paris before us? That is a little hard for me to see. I can't imagine any other legacy is going to be in a hurry to go in there. It also is a little hard for me to see SAT getting BA with AUS up the road with 3 carriers to Europe, two of which are to London already and one being BA on a 747 over summer. I would doubt they want to take people away from their flight in AUS.
CMH is really the only other one I can see and they don't have the AA base we do, or traffic for that matter, that makes me think they would get BA over us. But then again if they pay out a bunch of money like Indy did for Delta then who knows.
AA does not do ground handling for BA stateside, unlike Delta for AF/KL at their hubs. BA stations with two or more daily departures are staffed with BA agents represented by the Machnints Union (BOS, JFK, MIA, ORD, etc) while single departure points are vendored out (ATL, BWI, DFW, etc). There are Oneworld lounge access agreements at points without BA operated lounges such as AUS, and the forthcoming BNA.
Look I don’t want my comments to be perceived as inflammatory so let me just say diplomatically that in my judgement IND, PIT and SAT all have more going for them than STL both in terms of civic leadership and the strength and composition of hthejr local economy in supporting a long haul international flight.
I'm not arguing with those thoughts, you probably are right. My thought is PIT already has 3 carriers to Europe with two being Delta and Condor, IND has already Delta, and SAT has AUS pretty close with 3 of their own. My thought is BA won't move into a medium market that already has a Legacy on it (or their own flight an hour away in SAT case).JAL007 wrote: ↑Mar 04, 2018
Look I don’t want my comments to be perceived as inflammatory so let me just say diplomatically that in my judgement IND, PIT and SAT all have more going for them than STL both in terms of civic leadership and the strength and composition of hthejr local economy in supporting a long haul international flight.
If all those airports just had an Iceland carrier then I would probably say yes, they have as good or a better shot than us, but they already have other airlines running routes to Europe that we don't. So to me it is more likely we get BA than they get them on top of what they already have.
Thanks for the link. I always wondered what it looked like in there!matguy70 wrote: ↑Mar 04, 2018Inside St. Louis Lambert International Airport's USA Customs/Immigration arrival area/baggage claim.
http://www.benhurconstruction.com/renov ... er-patrol/
Also, it looks like Alaska is cutting its route to Portland mid May. Seems really weird since it gets pretty good loads (although I know more goes into a flight than the amount of people on it). Also weird that they start it back up mid march and cut it two months later right before summer when it should get the most riders. I know they have been having staffing issues at their regionals, but it is odd. The only thing I can think of is they need the plane on shorter routes where they can get 2 in during the same time it would run once to us. They are also cutting SFO-DEN.
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Doesn't Customs prohibit photos of that areamatguy70 wrote: ↑Mar 04, 2018Inside St. Louis Lambert International Airport's USA Customs/Immigration arrival area/baggage claim.
http://www.benhurconstruction.com/renov ... er-patrol/
Yes. No photos in that area. These are on the construction companies website by them from last year's build out/upgrades.
St. Louis has a larger corporate base than any of those cities... the 5th largest FORTUNE 500 company city and a much larger GDP. STL has a larger metro population and is one of the fastest growing innovation and technology cities. Now PIT and IND both are doing well too, but are cities that are being served by service to central EU now. I can't imagine them having enough O&D to warrant more EU nonstops without serious incentives or a hub. I'm in the travel industry for 23 years and I will tell you STL will have a great year of growth again, but more importantly will be adding EU service beyond Rejkavik.
What are your comments based on ...personal observations or statistics? Not saying this cheeky either... I am just curious if there is statistical basis to your comments on business and community leadership and references.
St. Louis has larger O&D and is the 7th fastest growing airport in the nation by passenger boardings growth in 2016 and 2017, and the 3rd fastest in international passenger growth in 2017.Look I don’t want my comments to be perceived as inflammatory so let me just say diplomatically that in my judgement IND, PIT and SAT all have more going for them than STL both in terms of civic leadership and the strength and composition of hthejr local economy in supporting a long haul international flight
St. Louis has a larger corporate base than any of those cities... the 5th largest FORTUNE 500 company city and a much larger GDP. STL has a larger metro population and is one of the fastest growing innovation and technology cities. Now PIT and IND both are doing well too, but are cities that are being served by service to central EU now. I can't imagine them having enough O&D to warrant more EU nonstops without serious incentives or a hub. I'm in the travel industry for 23 years and I will tell you STL will have a great year of growth again, but more importantly will be adding EU service beyond Rejkavik.
What are your comments based on ...personal observations or statistics? Not saying this cheeky either... I am just curious if there is statistical basis to your comments on business and community leadership and references.
Yes. They were flying this route prior to SWA. They were using regional jets and are very limited on the aircraft they are using through the regionals. They have serious shortages right now. They are dropping quite a few flights out of PDX. Southwest flies nonstop using 737-800 and soon 737-MAX by end of year on this route. So their capacity is much higher. Those flights indeed are always full.We are losing STL-PDX on AS for the summer
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Thanks Matguy. As Jshank said, nice to see. That's actually not too bad looking as customs areas go. Doesn't even look quite as small as I'd expected. Maybe one of these days I'll actually go through customs here and not Chicago or San Francisco. (Or any of a half dozen other places.)matguy70 wrote: ↑Mar 04, 2018Inside St. Louis Lambert International Airport's USA Customs/Immigration arrival area/baggage claim.
http://www.benhurconstruction.com/renov ... er-patrol/
I went through not too long ago. About to go through again at the end of the month. They made me open every single kinder surprise eggs I bought for my niece at Cancun airport and take out all the little toys. Luckily I was able to put them all together once I passed the check.
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Maybe they were looking for a specific toy?positron wrote: ↑Mar 06, 2018I went through not too long ago. About to go through again at the end of the month. They made me open every single kinder surprise eggs I bought for my niece at Cancun airport and take out all the little toys. Luckily I was able to put them all together once I passed the check.
No, Kinder Eggs are banned in the United States under a law not allowing food products which contain non-food products.ricke002 wrote: ↑Mar 06, 2018Maybe they were looking for a specific toy?positron wrote: ↑Mar 06, 2018I went through not too long ago. About to go through again at the end of the month. They made me open every single kinder surprise eggs I bought for my niece at Cancun airport and take out all the little toys. Luckily I was able to put them all together once I passed the check.
http://metro.co.uk/2017/10/04/why-are-k ... a-6976543/
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What do they do to French reenactor sorts when they want to make a King cake? As long as everyone agrees that there's non-food in there and you need to have a care, kind of like eating fish, then what's the trouble?gregl wrote: ↑Mar 06, 2018No, Kinder Eggs are banned in the United States under a law not allowing food products which contain non-food products.
http://metro.co.uk/2017/10/04/why-are-k ... a-6976543/
