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From Dangerous to Abandon

From Dangerous to Abandon

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PostFeb 03, 2007#1

North St. Louis City has a reputation and perception. The few people who impose harm on others scare away the residents who can afford to leave, but when they too are gone the neighborhood becomes abandoned, homes are demolished for fear of misuse, and abandon sets in.



Old North St. Louis has been making strides towards resettlement and has become a community with spirit and neighborliness. Others are still unnoticed or remain in quasi abandonment.



I just read in the RFT about Catholic Workers in St. Louis Place around St. Liborious. Mary "One" Johnson has been building homes father north in St. Louis Place but south of North Market blocks are empty with lone surviving homes.



Riverfront Times

Cool to be Kind

Voluntary poverty, sustainable agriculture, helping one's fellow man. A Catholic Worker community quietly grows in north St. Louis.

By MOLLY LANGMUIR

Article Published Jan 31, 2007


The neighborhood changed around the house. At first it wasn't uncommon to hear gunfire coming from the streets, but by the 1980s and '90s St. Louis Place began to empty out. "It became very quiet," Druhe says. "Almost like living in the country." According to U.S. Census figures, the population of the roughly 80-block area dropped 39 percent between 1980 and 2000, from 4,243 to 2,572. St. Liborius stopped holding services in 1991.



In 1995 rows of identical vinyl-sided houses began to spring up, fronted by identical front yards dotted with identical shrubs. About 90 units have been built so far; more are in the works. It looks as if the suburbs had dropped down from outer space. The houses originally sold for about $90,000, says Judy Woolverton, owner of the firm that built them, Choate Construction and Development, but a few recently resold for about $150,000.


For all those knowledgeable, in what years or decades did what North St. Louis City neighborhoods experience one, a lack of investment two, a drastic increase in crime three, emptying out and abandonment?



Neighborhood Name

1.) Lack of investment > Decade

2.) Era of crime (shootings, apparant drugs, etc...) > Decade

3.) Population loss and near abandonment > Decade

4.) Era of Rehabilitation (identify pioneer or first starts to large scale) >

Decades



Neighborhoods that come to mind are:

JeffVanderLoo

Murphy (now occupied by HOPE mixed income housing)

Old North St. Louis

St. Louis Place

Hyde Park

The Ville



If other categories and neighborhood dynamic characteristics come to mind, feel free to include those too.

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PostFeb 15, 2007#2

The triage method, aka Team Four, basically was to cut funding for those neighborhoods which were "dying." In effect, save those which were only missing an arm while letting the rest die off. This is why midtown and the west end are littered with street barries. Isolate those dying in their graveyard as to keep the plague from spreading south. Those which were dying seem to correlate to those with higher African American populations. Racism? You tell me.



Rather than fight proverty with, cough *JOBS* cough, we sought complete cutting of services to those which needed the most advocacy.

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PostFeb 18, 2007#3

Rather than fight proverty with, cough *JOBS* cough, we sought complete cutting of services to those which needed the most advocacy.


Doug, how do you believe jobs are created? You seem to advocate high taxes, which to me stifles job growth. If you were "king" or mayor of st. louis, what would you do to implement job growth?

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PostFeb 20, 2007#4

JCity wrote:
Rather than fight proverty with, cough *JOBS* cough, we sought complete cutting of services to those which needed the most advocacy.


Doug, how do you believe jobs are created? You seem to advocate high taxes, which to me stifles job growth. If you were "king" or mayor of st. louis, what would you do to implement job growth?


If Doug had his way he'd tax the hell out of us in Ladue and invest the tax money on Martin Luther King Drive.

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PostFeb 20, 2007#5

stlmizzoutiger wrote:
JCity wrote:
Rather than fight proverty with, cough *JOBS* cough, we sought complete cutting of services to those which needed the most advocacy.


Doug, how do you believe jobs are created? You seem to advocate high taxes, which to me stifles job growth. If you were "king" or mayor of st. louis, what would you do to implement job growth?




If Doug had his way he'd tax the hell out of us in Ladue and invest the tax money on Martin Luther King Drive.


Regional revenue sharing could do a lot for for both the inner City as well as the suburbs. Fragmented government is a waste of tax dollars and creates zero-sum competition between municipalities.



We need a regional planning authority and land use laws which eliminate sprawl as well. These two are tied together.



Yet we love our local control and "democratic values."

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PostFeb 20, 2007#6

and in terms of generating jobs, what would you do?



I agree there are lots of wasted services. The city and county should merge, as long as they don't touch the individual school districts... we saw what happened in the city over the last 30 years... but yes, services overlap and cost more than they should, etc.



So, how do we, specifically the city, attract jobs?

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PostFeb 21, 2007#7

Doug wrote:
stlmizzoutiger wrote:
JCity wrote:

Doug, how do you believe jobs are created? You seem to advocate high taxes, which to me stifles job growth. If you were "king" or mayor of st. louis, what would you do to implement job growth?




If Doug had his way he'd tax the hell out of us in Ladue and invest the tax money on Martin Luther King Drive.


Regional revenue sharing could do a lot for for both the inner City as well as the suburbs. Fragmented government is a waste of tax dollars and creates zero-sum competition between municipalities.



We need a regional planning authority and land use laws which eliminate sprawl as well. These two are tied together.



Yet we love our local control and "democratic values."


Sorry, I just had to talk like a typical suburbanite on that one. I completely agree with you. A regional planning authority with real teeth would help the St. Louis area as a whole greatly. As others have stated in similar threads, I think there are too many people who hold high ranking city offices for their little cities in St. Louis County (And other STL area places) that would refuse to give up their job titles for the common good of the region. Maybe someday they'll all prove me wrong. I hope so!

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PostFeb 22, 2007#8

I agree, just don't touch the school districts! Could you imagine if Clayton was a part of the city 30 years ago? The school district of Clayton was a buffer zone, if it was a part of the city,it would have enabled the Clayton area to go down the tubes, just like the rest of St. Louis School District.. So, merge everything, just don't create some huge public school system, it will NEVER work.. just look at the city for results!