A 5-6 floor, 340-unit apartment building with a 280 space parking garage and 62 space parking lot is planned on this site, which is immediately east of LuxLiving's "SoHo" building. No renderings or site plan yet, but I would pay attention to this one. When I worked at Lux, they had an option on this property and I wouldn't be surprised if this was them. The applicant is KPPF LLC, which is connected to Broadway Ford Truck Sales, but what I know from before will continue to hold the assumption of truth until proven otherwise.
Planning Commission reviews the rezoning request tomorrow.
A 5-6 floor, 340-unit apartment building with a 280 space parking garage and 62 space parking lot is planned on this site, which is immediately east of LuxLiving's "SoHo" building. No renderings or site plan yet, but I would pay attention to this one. When I worked at Lux, they had an option on this property and I wouldn't be surprised if this was them. The applicant is KPPF LLC, which is connected to Broadway Ford Truck Sales, but what I know from before will continue to hold the assumption of truth until proven otherwise.
Planning Commission reviews the rezoning request tomorrow.
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Pretty sure pre-fab sections of Soho were stored on this site before they were installed.
Figured this was coming given the for sale/we're moving signs.
One guy on Reddit dumbfounded as to how SoHo could ever be a success, is really goingt o be confused now.
Is it time to rebrand the Kosciusko neighborhood? I've heard Soulard Flats and Soulard East. I'd like to see it called Little Broadway. I'll be interested to see if we have more modern design in developments east of 7th.
I wouldn't mind a rebrand with 'Soulard' in the name, as you suggested, as it would tell people the neighborhood's general location while also bandwagoning on an already-popular neighborhood.
How about we just call it Soulard like we did classically? I never heard anyone call it anything else until maybe 2010. This whole Kosciusko business is worse than "The Patch."
Anyway, whatever one wants to call it, I'm glad to hear this and I look forward to some renderings.
Isn't Gateway South just the name of the development? Hampton Village, for instance, isn't a neighborhood but a shopping center that is well known.
A portion of Gateway South -- the portion north of Chouteau Ave. -- is within downtown proper; the other portion is in Kosciusko.
Yes, but like "The Grove" in FPSE and "Propsect Yards" in Midtown/Gate District etc. i think these developments / districts can be used in lieu of officially renaming the neighborhood. [Begin\ Sarcasm] unless we want to name it "Floodwall Flats" or "River South" so we have a cool neighborhood like (insert random city) , in which case I'm pounding the yes vote. [\Sarcasm]
I've pointed out in another thread I think the hyperlocal branding of these areas is ridiculous, and overlays a new map on an already very busy neighborhood map. St. Louis is a city of neighborhoods, and we don't need to go further in naming and branding. It's bad enough. Sometimes I think how lucky the people of St. Charles are that everything inside 170 is "Downtown" and that no one will tell them where FPP ends and FPA begins as if it is some monumental differentiator. The fact that we are postulating renaming of a long established neighborhood as required for appropriate future hipness is comical.
Isn't Gateway South just the name of the development? Hampton Village, for instance, isn't a neighborhood but a shopping center that is well known.
A portion of Gateway South -- the portion north of Chouteau Ave. -- is within downtown proper; the other portion is in Kosciusko.
Yes, but like "The Grove" in FPSE and "Propsect Yards" in Midtown/Gate District etc. i think these developments / districts can be used in lieu of officially renaming the neighborhood. [Begin\ Sarcasm] unless we want to name it "Floodwall Flats" or "River South" so we have a cool neighborhood like (insert random city) , in which case I'm pounding the yes vote. [\Sarcasm]
I've pointed out in another thread I think the hyperlocal branding of these areas is ridiculous, and overlays a new map on an already very busy neighborhood map. St. Louis is a city of neighborhoods, and we don't need to go further in naming and branding. It's bad enough. Sometimes I think how lucky the people of St. Charles are that everything inside 170 is "Downtown" and that no one will tell them where FPP ends and FPA begins as if it is some monumental differentiator. The fact that we are postulating renaming of a long established neighborhood as required for appropriate future hipness is comical.
End Micro Rant.
When I was growing up, even people I knew from the city would just say Northside, Southside, Downtown, etc. In the Black community it's also common for people to call certain neighborhoods the Westside. Only neighborhoods that I ever really heard by name were Soulard, Central West End, the Hill, the Ville, Walnut Park, sometimes Carondelet or Dutchtown, which many people referred to as "State Streets". Overall, I grew up hearing more references to streets than anything else. Like he lives off Gravois and Grand or she works near Natural Bridge and Union.
How about we just call it Soulard like we did classically? I never heard anyone call it anything else until maybe 2010. This whole Kosciusko business is worse than "The Patch."
Anyway, whatever one wants to call it, I'm glad to hear this and I look forward to some renderings.
That Kosciusko "business" goes a bit further back then that...
But—and if you’ve been reading my previous columns, this will not surprise you—photographs and records of the Kosciusko neighborhood reveals a culturally rich and thriving community that welcomed wave after wave of immigrants to St. Louis. They lived in close proximity to the industries and docks along the river and often found work there. The area takes its name from Kosciusko Street, honoring Andrzej Tadeusz Bonawentura Kościuszko, a Polish patriot who famously fought in the American Revolution before returning and unsuccessfully struggling to maintain his own country’s independence in the face of Prussian, Russian and Austrian imperialism.
^I'm not trying to say the buildings weren't there, but at no point did I ever hear anyone call it Kosciusko, or see such a reference in print before about 2010. There is a street by that name, and I can believe folks might have said "it's on Kosciusko at Lesperance, but I very much believe that everyone would have said it was in Soulard. Something like "It's down in Soulard on Kosciusko." My dad worked down there at the Queeny Plant, and we called it Soulard. I meet with his coworkers. They all call it Soulard. Can you find a reference to a neighborhood by that name dating back before 2000? The truth is, with a few exceptions, people simply didn't use neighborhood names until pretty recently. Nobody I grew up with referred to Dutchtown. Maybe Bevo once in a while, but what was really meant was "I live near Bevo Mill." And my grandmother found all of it quite funny indeed. There really just aren't as many neighborhoods in town as all that. What we have is lots of neighborhood organizations, which kind of mirrors all the "my block is its own town" balkanization in the county. And I can't help believe that's where it came from. As people decide to take government into their own hands and make it more local in the 90s and 2000s, bam, we get ten thousand neighborhood names that just weren't there before. Some are reasonable, taking street names as their cue like Southampton or arguably even Kosciusko. (Assuming you can find a dozen living people who know where it is without looking it up on a map.) Others are deeply artificial, like Botanical Heights or Grand Center. I find it all a little tedious. I'm altogether in favor of preserving the history of the people that lived there, of the physical fabric of the place. But that's different than adopting a bunch of somewhat artificial place names.
^ I personally find all the hand waving about neighborhood names ridiculous. Call it Soulard or whatever you want, I don’t think others are going to get upset about it. There’s a pretty long history of people flat out ignoring “newer” official names of all kinds of things in this city lol.
I’ll stick with what Naffziger published though, there’s clearly some interesting history behind that name. I see no reason to eliminate that…
^Oh, it's pointless whinging. Just an increasingly older man shouting about kids these days and wanting to tell them about how they need to take care of their lawns. I don't really expect anyone to follow my lawncare advice. (Probably best if you don't anyway.) And it's not actually my lawn, so I can't even tell you to get off it.
Good write up. Know it's still in the planning stages so not finalized yet, but really hoping there is some retail included (not mentioned). Phillips stated in the article that they are trying "to enhance the neighborhood". A lack of retail would mean a disconnect from Soulard to Gateway South, sort of the opposite of what they are going for.
^ Also interesting to note that article says the garage would be constructed separately on 1400 Broadway (SE corner of Broadway and Miller). Could be a good opportunity for some additional retail space.
Looking forward to seeing some renderings of this project.
Yeah I don't think anyone has called it Kosciusko since urban renewal leveled everything there and to be honest I am not sure that the residents prior called it Kosciusko either. Would just be easier to merge it in with Soulard as one neighborhood.
It is, at the least, a street. So it's hardly the worst offense. (And people did refer to cross streets much more than neighborhoods at one time.) Either way, though, no matter what you call it, I hope the proposed buildings are a success.
^Yeah the Soulard CID goes east to South Broadway, taking in just about all the current retail currently in the neighborhood of Kosciusko. I believe they are also able to join the Soulard Business Association and several of them like Bar 101 consider label themselves as Soulard in their name. Can a neighborhood annex another? They should just move Soulard's eastern boundary to the river and call it a day.
If we folded McKinley Heights into Soulard or Lafayette Square my home's value would rise substantially. Back to the subject at hand, I look forward to seeing the rendering of this project. This intersection deserves to become substantially urban again. It's a damn shame what we have lost here.
The Planning Commission approved 6-1 changing the zoning of 1506 S 7th from J to H to facilitate multi-fam with a little commercial. It would be developer Dennis Phillips first residential development. They plan a bridge across Broadway tot he parking garage. They planned one too for 7th St, which wasn't well received and was removed from the plan. Crossing 7th at Marion is scary, hope intersection improvements come in conjunction with this.
