Connected 2050

goat314 · PostMar 20, 2015#12015-03-20T14:08+00:00

Looks like more of the same to me. Money committed to sprawling highways and key transit corridors listed as "illustrative", meaning not a snowball chance in hell. What do you guys think of this weak plan?

http://www.ewgateway.org/download/conne ... 2045-1.pdf

dbInSouthCity · PostMar 20, 2015#22015-03-20T14:14+00:00

I think it has a lot of pretty pictures and colors

Also every major project, road or metro is illustrative in reality. neither agency has the money to build any of those or plans too.

goat314 · PostMar 20, 2015#32015-03-20T14:17+00:00

^ very pretty, low on substance, nobody held accountable, no financial plan....sounds like OneSTL.

dbInSouthCity · PostMar 20, 2015#42015-03-20T14:19+00:00

goat314 wrote:^ very pretty, low on substance, nobody held accountable, no financial plan....sounds like OneSTL.

tho i am a bit surprised that metro decided to move theirs to the dusty shell known as illustrative, which tells me they have no plan what so ever to build those...none.

roger wyoming II · PostMar 20, 2015#52015-03-20T15:37+00:00

We need Action2020 for transit & bike/ped.

pat · PostMar 20, 2015#62015-03-20T16:04+00:00

Two things I noticed that annoy me but really it doesn't matter...

-The STL Streetcar now is estimated at $410 million not the ~$210 million originally given.
-N/S Metrolink ext is estimated at $2.27 billion...woah.

Good luck ever getting the state to swallow that number.

roger wyoming II · PostMar 20, 2015#72015-03-20T16:08+00:00

^ those are year of construction figures. A gallon of milk will cost $58 in the year 2115 (estimated N/S construction date), too!

dbInSouthCity · PostMar 20, 2015#82015-03-20T16:45+00:00

Pat, streetcar might be $210 in today's dollars but it isn't being built today...i think somewhere in the plan they note the inflation factor...plus the numbers include so many years of operating costs.

pat · PostMar 20, 2015#92015-03-20T18:06+00:00

Right. Makes sense.

At least they recognize the N/S line as a priority over the three county extension options.

Does anyone know how to find financial or other statistical data for the city of St. Louis? Is it even collected anywhere?

I'd like to know how much money is generated in various industries like hotels, car rentals, alcohol cigarettes, property and sales taxes based on geography, etc.

Any ideas?

Its going to be tough and a long wait to ever get the state to back transit in a meaningful manner. I'd like to know if it is even feasible for the City to generate the capital necessary to build more transit. Or how much funds are possible to be raised through various tax combinations.

I'd imagine that business don't like to divulge their revenue generously so it likely isn't easy information for the public to access.

dbInSouthCity · PostMar 20, 2015#102015-03-20T18:22+00:00

^

https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... uments.cfm

pat · PostMar 20, 2015#112015-03-20T18:39+00:00

Thanks. Helpful.

I wonder if there's a way to find out revenues of industries that aren't taxed by the city. I'll keep searching.

quincunx · PostMar 20, 2015#122015-03-20T18:44+00:00

There's money. MSD is spending $4.7B over 20 years. Yes, because we're forced to.

pat · PostMar 20, 2015#132015-03-20T18:54+00:00

Right. It'd be great to have an easy way of quantifying the money available. Such as how much money could be generated with with 1% alcohol tax, or a tax on car rentals, cigarettes, TDD? Actually have numbers to discuss to see what's even possible for improving transit or other areas (education, city buildings, historic building preservation...)

quincunx · PostMar 20, 2015#142015-03-20T18:54+00:00

What is the I-70 connector for $15B from IL-3 to I-70?

PostMar 20, 2015#152015-03-20T19:01+00:00

Is there anything about ari travel in it?

PostMay 17, 2018#162018-05-17T14:16+00:00

Connected2045 Long-Range Transportation Plan Update Survey

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIp ... Q/viewform

PostOct 12, 2022#172022-10-12T16:31+00:00

EWG - Transportation Equity Analysis Virtual Open House

https://express.adobe.com/page/A0pszJdG ... ing-equity

sc4mayor · PostJan 25, 2023#182023-01-25T20:45+00:00

Here is a list of submitted projects for Connected 2050. EWG will discuss at today's (January 25th) board meeting. The list will be finalized between now and March with a final plan ready by June of this year.

quincunx · PostJan 25, 2023#192023-01-25T20:52+00:00

A companion to the Musial Bridge? JFC.

PostJan 25, 2023#202023-01-25T20:55+00:00

Wish Metrolink to Edwardsville was on there. Yes, Madison County isn't in Bi-State, I know.

pattimagee · PostJan 25, 2023#212023-01-25T21:00+00:00

Am I reading into that 'light rail' down Grand to Chippewa wrong? I thought it was down Jefferson to Chippewa?

PostJan 25, 2023#222023-01-25T21:03+00:00

Okay, I answered my own question. The top of the line runs west to Grand.

sc4mayor · PostJan 25, 2023#232023-01-25T21:03+00:00

^ Grand to Chippewa...on Jefferson.

As long as Madison County is controlled by that wannabe mini-Trump, they're not joining Bi-State. But...I often think about a Madison County LRT extension and wonder if there would be any appetite within Madison County Transit to carry out such an extension? MCT could control the funding, operations, policing, etc. They could run trains to either 5th & Missouri or Emerson Park where they already run their own buses or continue them into St. Louis like a handful of their express bus lines that serve Civic Center.

They could run the same rolling stock as Metro and allow for fare integration. Besides, if I'm not mistaken, MetroLink is the only LRT in the US that actually crosses state lines. We're more the exception to the rule when it comes to cross-state transit anyway. Much like NJ PATH trains run into a terminal in NYC for transfers to local subways...why couldn't MCT operate a suburban line? Illinois is clearly willing to throw money at public transit after all...

Still, I'd imagine any line connecting Madison County directly with St. Louis (or East St. Louis), regardless of the operator, would receive a fair amount of pushback.

_nomad_ · PostJan 25, 2023#242023-01-25T21:10+00:00

sc4mayor wrote: ↑
Jan 25, 2023
Here is a list of submitted projects for Connected 2050. EWG will discuss at today's (January 25th) board meeting. The list will be finalized between now and March with a final plan ready by June of this year.

If I'm counting correctly this looks like 49 highway and major road projects compared to 1 transit project. While I'm sure some of these bridges might include a sidewalk, there isn't anything in here for bike or walkability. Lots of new interchanges and added lanes, little in the way of providing options for people to get around.

sc4mayor · PostJan 25, 2023#252023-01-25T21:21+00:00

^ These are massive capital projects. Also on the discussion docket for today are the TAP projects I posted in the Transportation thread weeks ago:

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