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'Cash or credit?' comes to parking meters

'Cash or credit?' comes to parking meters

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PostNov 08, 2006#1

Thought this was interesting. I remember it being talked about on Urban Review St. Louis.



'Cash or credit?' comes to parking meters

Experiment tried on South Grand



By Jim Merkel

Wednesday, November 8, 2006 2:22 AM CST





Movie theaters take them; McDonald's takes them; and so do soda machines.



Now in one South Side shopping district, parking meters are accepting credit cards and debit cards.



Heeding the request of the South Grand Community Improvement District and Alderman Jennifer Florida, D-15th Ward, the St. Louis Treasurer's Office has temporarily removed parking meters for about 60 different parking spaces on South Grand Boulevard from Arsenal Street south to Wyoming Street.



From now through Feb. 28, they're being replaced with devices that will accept Master Card or Visa credit cards and debit cards, as well as coins.



Parking with plastic is seen as the answer to one of life's minor inconveniences.



"Do you always have change in your pocket," asked Stephen Baker, director of planning support services for the Treasurer's Office.



Mike Baldwin, a home developer living near Old North St. Louis, looked at one of the devices on South Grand and said he used them when he lived in Berkeley, Calif.



"I loved it. It's much easier than finding change," Baldwin said. "It'll work for me."



The minimum charge for credit or debit cards is $1. That's a buck whether a person is just running into a store for five minutes or staying the maximum of two hours.



Like regular parking meters, the South Grand devices operate from 8 a.m. to 7 p.m. Monday through Friday and 8 a.m. to 4 p.m. Saturdays. The rate is the same is standard meters, 50 cents an hour, with a maximum of two hours.



The meters are familiar to drivers in other parts of the country and in Europe. Whether they will catch on here is something that won't be known until after Feb. 28. That's when the Treasurer's Office, which handles parking meters in the city, will evaluate the success of the experiment and see if it wants to install the devices permanently.



After drivers have had a month to use the new meters, the South Grand Community Improvement District will do a survey to see how people like them, said Rachel Witt, executive director of the district, which covers the area from Arsenal south to Utah Street.



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PostNov 08, 2006#2

That's interesting.



Sometime this week they removed the meters from Clark between 16th and 18th. That stretch is "No Parking" between 5pm and Midnight so trucks can line up to get into the Post Office loading docks.



There's no way that area is going free parking (with Scottrade and Union Station a block away) so I wonder if they're going to go to pay boxes along there?

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PostNov 08, 2006#3

I had lunch at Mangia today, and tried to use one of these things. After trying to use it hree times I gave up and moved my car into a traditionaly metered parking lot. The think kept reading "_Please Wait" then it would say "Transaction Complete" and it sounded like it printed a receipt. But there was no receipt. The city probably robbed me of $1.50.

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PostNov 09, 2006#4

Citylover wrote:
The minimum charge for credit or debit cards is $1. That's a buck whether a person is just running into a store for five minutes or staying the maximum of two hours.


Looks like $3.00. :P

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PostNov 10, 2006#5

St. Louis Treasurer's Office has temporarily removed parking meters


It's a test of two different systems. Nobody knows if either system will survive a St. Louis winter (no city with our temperature variations has tried these particular machines), if St. Louis parkers will use either one of them, which system is better, how reliable/sturdy/secure/useful they each are . . .

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PostNov 10, 2006#6

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St. Louis Treasurer's Office has temporarily removed parking meters
It's a test of two different systems. Nobody knows if either system will survive a St. Louis winter (no city with our temperature variations has tried these particular machines), if St. Louis parkers will use either one of them, which system is better, how reliable/sturdy/secure/useful they each are . . .
Horse hockey! These things are used through Europe which can get bitterly cold during the winter and hot enough during the summer to turn their roads into goo! Now whether St. Louisans will use them...

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publiceye wrote:
St. Louis Treasurer's Office has temporarily removed parking meters


It's a test of two different systems. Nobody knows if either system will survive a St. Louis winter (no city with our temperature variations has tried these particular machines), if St. Louis parkers will use either one of them, which system is better, how reliable/sturdy/secure/useful they each are . . .


Chicago uses the Pay N Display system at it seems to survive their winters. The only thing is every time I visit Chicago and come back to St. Louis my bank account have a whole crudload of parking charges for $2 to $4. I can only imagine what's it's like if you live there.



BTW they replaced all the meters along Clark by Union Station. Changed from the old mechanical ones where there were three slots and you turned the handle to the more modern one slot no handle setup.

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PostNov 10, 2006#8

Yeah, yeah. We'll see if our weather can break them! (Right now, the pay and displays receipts are gumming up inside their printers . . .)

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PostNov 11, 2006#9

Photos from the Urban Review web site - http://www.urbanreviewstl.com:



Meter type A







Meter type B







Check the web site for a detailed review of the new meters.

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PostNov 12, 2006#10

I'm in Portland right now. I see the pay-n-display systems all over here. A friend of mine drove me around to show me the city and loved that she could stick the slip on her window and park all over the city. Here, they don't print the street name on it so you can take your time with you anywhere in the city.

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PostNov 13, 2006#11

The 2nd ones are more aesthetically pleasing, if that matters.

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PostNov 15, 2006#12

Mill204 wrote:Now whether St. Louisans will use them...


Well, it's been one year since the Hampton Village Target opened, and I'm willing to bet that over half of the patrons there have yet to figure out that there's a vast parking garage underneath the store.



(Not that I'm complaining, as I can park my car far from automotive riff-raff AND still have a short walk to the escalator.)



So, I'm betting that many STL motorists shy away from these new meters. Their loss, my gain, because now I can be fairly sure I'll have somewhere to park in most cases when I'm in that area.



It just takes awhile...or an eternity...for newfangled ideas to catch on here. :lol:

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PostNov 19, 2006#13

One might think that more time would be needed -- 6 months at least -- to really gauge much.



And as for the weather--perhaps the weather is of less concern than vandalism of the shiny new targets?



In any case, whether they stay this time around, it's a matter of time before they'll be in St. Louis permanently. In the meantime, look out for fewer tickets for card-carrying cashless drivers.


Citylover wrote:
From now through Feb. 28 ...



After drivers have had a month to use the new meters, the South Grand Community Improvement District will do a survey to see how people like them, said Rachel Witt, executive director of the district, which covers the area from Arsenal south to Utah Street ...



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PostNov 20, 2006#14

centralb wrote:In the meantime, look out for fewer tickets for card-carrying cashless drivers.


That's why I'm looking forward to it. I rarely carry any cash- I use my debit card for just about everything.