My brother sent me this picture of a new building Ackerman Toyota is planning somewhere off 44 and Hampton. Anyone having any details?
Ackerman Toyota building new?
Ackerman Toyota building new?
My brother sent me this picture of a new building Ackerman Toyota is planning somewhere off 44 and Hampton. Anyone having any details?
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That is great an all, but what about the Kingshighway location?? Does that mean another huge vacancy on that site? That would be a big negative for a busy stretch of Kingshighway.
I can't imagine where something like that would fit anywhere near 44 and Hampton.
I can't imagine where something like that would fit anywhere near 44 and Hampton.
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There is that giant new lot across from the Mercedes dealer....
More seriously it's gotta be where the "not Bosch tools" building is
More seriously it's gotta be where the "not Bosch tools" building is
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It's less than a mile from old FP Hospital to Farty far. Either way I kid I kid
And the rendering g clearly shows it going here
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And the rendering g clearly shows it going here
Maybe this location? The picture shows do not enter signs to its right.
Their site now is pretty landlocked. Guess they need more room to expand. At least its staying in the city limits. Maybe another dealership will move in after, don't see that area staying vacant for long.
A vacancy would be bad news, but in my dreams this opens up an opportunity for that stretch of Kingshighway to see new urban development. That side of Kingshighway makes me want to cry. Maybe we can begin fixing it.
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I'd love to see it go in there where the old MSD site is, but I've always perceived that site to be too small. I may be wrong though, since I do not know how far back that lot goes.
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^ dmelsh has the old MSD parcel shown ^^. It currently is owned by LCRA and it might be the spot.
I think I asked the question at some point in the Mercedes thread about Hampton from 44 to 64 becoming a mini dealership row. I know car dealerships aren't ideal and don't provide much income to the city for all the space they take. But let's be honest: can anything be done to improve this hellish stretch of Hampton? It might be too far gone.
Ackerman is pretty small for a new car dealership. We're shopping for a minivan and last week they had a total of 2 sitting on their lot: neither in the trim level we're looking for. Dragged ourselves out to West County Toyota and they had like 2 dozen.DogtownBnR wrote:That is great an all, but what about the Kingshighway location?? Does that mean another huge vacancy on that site? That would be a big negative for a busy stretch of Kingshighway.
I'd like to hope that.jstriebel wrote:A vacancy would be bad news, but in my dreams this opens up an opportunity for that stretch of Kingshighway to see new urban development. That side of Kingshighway makes me want to cry. Maybe we can begin fixing it.
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Especially with the new residential project going in at the old insurance building and the land cleared further up the street on the old dealership, one certainly can begin to envision a much nicer, more productive corridor taking shape with time.jstriebel wrote:A vacancy would be bad news, but in my dreams this opens up an opportunity for that stretch of Kingshighway to see new urban development. That side of Kingshighway makes me want to cry. Maybe we can begin fixing it.
Unfortunately the rumor is a QT is in store for the old auto (McNamara?) lot.
I think some things can be done to Hampton corridor, but I agree it is difficult and I would prefer to have dealership row, etc. on Hampton rather than Kingshighway, which I think has more potential for mixed-uses density.dweebe wrote:I think I asked the question at some point in the Mercedes thread about Hampton from 44 to 64 becoming a mini dealership row. I know car dealerships aren't ideal and don't provide much income to the city for all the space they take. But let's be honest: can anything be done to improve this hellish stretch of Hampton? It might be too far gone.
Who the heck is going to build residential or even office space on that NE corner of 44 and Hampton? Probably nobody. Maybe a hotel but even that's doubtful. Dare I say it: but a car dealership might be ideal for that spot.roger wyoming II wrote:I think some things can be done to Hampton corridor, but I agree it is difficult and I would prefer to have dealership row, etc. on Hampton rather than Kingshighway, which I think has more potential for mixed-uses density.dweebe wrote:I think I asked the question at some point in the Mercedes thread about Hampton from 44 to 64 becoming a mini dealership row. I know car dealerships aren't ideal and don't provide much income to the city for all the space they take. But let's be honest: can anything be done to improve this hellish stretch of Hampton? It might be too far gone.
I think some of you are overlooking the numerous cool Mid-Century buildings along Hampton (including the old MSD building, which happens to be a favorite of mine). There's also quite a few union-halls and non-profit organizations located there. Let's build on the existing strengths of that stretch. I'd much rather see mixed-use, multi-story infill rather than a bunch of auto dealerships.
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Dont be silly...hampton sucks from the park to about chippewa.....its land use at its worst....you have single family houses...single family houses used as dentist office, single houses used as vet offices, then you have commercial vet offices, you have 4 family house, multifamily apartment buildings, all and every fast food places, car repair shops, schools, former hospital, car dealership you name it it can be found on hampton in that stretch. Than the road itself is all over the place....some spots have left turn lane, most don't, others have a 40 grassy foot median...framer wrote:I think some of you are overlooking the numerous cool Mid-Century buildings along Hampton (including the old MSD building, which happens to be a favorite of mine). There's also quite a few union-halls and non-profit organizations located there. Let's build on the existing strengths of that stretch. I'd much rather see mixed-use, multi-story infill rather than a bunch of auto dealerships.
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^^ framer, I'm not advocating tearing anything down along Hampton, just saying my preference is if we have to have auto dealerships I'd rather have them congregate more along that corridor than S. Kingshighway as I believe the latter has greater potential to become a quality transit & mixed-use corridor.
(Not that I think it will happen.)
(Not that I think it will happen.)
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Ackerman's plan is to backfill the Kingshighway location with a Hyundai or Kia dealership.jstriebel wrote:A vacancy would be bad news, but in my dreams this opens up an opportunity for that stretch of Kingshighway to see new urban development. That side of Kingshighway makes me want to cry. Maybe we can begin fixing it.
Here's a good overview of some of the Mid-Century Modern architecture on Hampton:dbInSouthCity wrote:Dont be silly...hampton sucks from the park to about chippewa.....its land use at its worst....you have single family houses...single family houses used as dentist office, single houses used as vet offices, then you have commercial vet offices, you have 4 family house, multifamily apartment buildings, all and every fast food places, car repair shops, schools, former hospital, car dealership you name it it can be found on hampton in that stretch. Than the road itself is all over the place....some spots have left turn lane, most don't, others have a 40 grassy foot median...framer wrote:I think some of you are overlooking the numerous cool Mid-Century buildings along Hampton (including the old MSD building, which happens to be a favorite of mine). There's also quite a few union-halls and non-profit organizations located there. Let's build on the existing strengths of that stretch. I'd much rather see mixed-use, multi-story infill rather than a bunch of auto dealerships.
http://www.beltstl.com/2011/08/hampton- ... ry-modern/
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cant stand mid-century...i would bulldoze 80% of those. 
Where did you hear this? I know they used to have a Hyundai dealership in the North County location before it closed.south compton wrote:Ackerman's plan is to backfill the Kingshighway location with a Hyundai or Kia dealership.jstriebel wrote:A vacancy would be bad news, but in my dreams this opens up an opportunity for that stretch of Kingshighway to see new urban development. That side of Kingshighway makes me want to cry. Maybe we can begin fixing it.
I asked the someone in the service department about that rendering a couple days ago. He said they are still in negotiations, but yes, they are looking at the former MSD site at the NE corner of Hampton and 44.
Looks like maybe a new Ackerman Hyundai dealership will take over the old space. They once had a hyundai dealership in north county.
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That's encouraging. With all the recent changes, perhaps it's time for a comprehensive development plan for Kingshighway.dmelsh wrote:Looks like maybe a new Ackerman Hyundai dealership will take over the old space. They once had a hyundai dealership in north county.
I've always thought the old St. Louis Marketplace might be a decent spot for car dealerships.
My take is that Kingshighway become viable development corridor when someone can finally develop the old Owen's glass site and get some leasing number's in place.
I'm along the lines that Ackerman is locating to a good site relative to a lot of other places. Heck, Maplewood got a mini dealership next to one of its metrolink stops. Their is so many viable places in the city for mixed use. For starters, go up the road and give another run at the old lumber yard site in dogtown
I'm along the lines that Ackerman is locating to a good site relative to a lot of other places. Heck, Maplewood got a mini dealership next to one of its metrolink stops. Their is so many viable places in the city for mixed use. For starters, go up the road and give another run at the old lumber yard site in dogtown