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Liggett-Myers 4140 Park Ave

Liggett-Myers 4140 Park Ave

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PostSep 21, 2016#1

Holy cow - UIC is rehabbing part of the monster Liggett Myers tobacco building into their new offices (and leasing the balance for offices) - its 110,000 SF part of a larger complex of buildings - Kinda isolated but awesome potential

https://www.facebook.com/uicstl/photos/ ... 7085170606

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PostSep 21, 2016#2

f'in fantastic! I was pretty confident we'd see this day.

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PostSep 21, 2016#3

I thought the Liggett Myers buildings were going to become fancy lofts at some point. Was that just somebody being wishful?

I generally hate UIC's designs and Conwayesque gentrifying intentions, but I do admire the way they shift their office to keep places warm until other occupants show up.

Is Vandegrove dead? Or would Park Avenue eventually meet up with Tower Grove Avenue via weird elevated park thing? What's the future of a north facing office district that can't connect north?


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PostFeb 09, 2017#4

I noticed the other day that they lit up the chimney stacks on this complex. Looked great. I guess they're moving along.

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PostApr 02, 2019#5

I passed by here the other day on 44 and noticed it -- did this ever wrap up? Or any plans to finish it? Looked like a lot of the windows were boarded (granted, I was pretty damn far away).

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PostApr 03, 2019#6

bwcrow1s wrote:
Apr 02, 2019
I passed by here the other day on 44 and noticed it -- did this ever wrap up? Or any plans to finish it? Looked like a lot of the windows were boarded (granted, I was pretty damn far away).
I don't think the HQ move has begun.

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PostApr 04, 2019#7

^ Just figured something would be sizzling since this was announced in September 2016, or so it seems. Quite a while to have something be confirmed and absolutely nothing happen.

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PostApr 09, 2019#8

I'd mark this one as most likely tabled for now... UIC is growing like crazy, but I don't recall seeing any work on this building at all. Wouldn't surprise me if the plan has evolved a bit too - especially with the major announcements in the area since the initial announcement was made. Between The Armory, City Foundry, the new SLU Hospital mixed use plan,a growing CORTEX, etc, the market has certainly shifted a bit. Would love to see these buildings brought back to live as more condos or mixed use, but I have a feeling we may be waiting a few more years before this one sees any actual movement.

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PostSep 14, 2021#9

Could this finally happen?
A zoning only permit application submitted for office/multi-fam.

From 2016 - UIC to Develop Liggett-Myers Tobacco Building As New HQ, Shared Workspace
https://nextstl.com/2016/09/uic-develop ... workspace/

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PostJan 09, 2022#10

Any movement on this one?

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PostJan 09, 2022#11

None.  It has been shopped around for years.  The change to how historic state tax credits are awarded for projects larger than 1.1 million basically eliminated all chances of it receiving the 25% credit.  You would need a major office tenant in the building to create enough permanent jobs for the project to score high enough to qualify.  Without credits it is unlikely, not impossible, that the project gets off the ground.  

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PostJan 15, 2022#12

Now that this section of Folsom is being transformed with new construction and renovations I can't help but think the factory is not far from being redone.

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PostJun 25, 2022#13

On LCRA board agenda. Proposal changed to 62 apartments over one floor of commercial. Est cost $24M. Aided by HUD 221 (d)(4) loan.

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PostJun 25, 2022#14

^62? Isn't the building pretty damn large?

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PostJun 26, 2022#15

It’s actually 3 separate buildings owned by three separate legal entities (well, three different LLCs at least. Willert owns two portions with UIC’s portion sandwiched in between). This is only for the middle section.

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PostOct 13, 2023#16

Looks like they are getting around to apply for tax credits 
Project Number 47028
Project Liggett and Meyers Powerhouse
4100 Park Ave.
Saint Louis, MO     63110
Part 1:
  Received:
  Status:
10/06/2023
 
Part 2:
  Received:
  Fee Received:
  Status:


 
Part 3:
   Received:
   Fee Received:
   Status:

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PostOct 13, 2023#17

^this spot could be so amazing for apartments.

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PostOct 21, 2023#18

I wonder if the tax credit is only for the power house (the building with the smoke stacks). UIC owns the building to the west of that.

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PostOct 22, 2023#19

Fwiw, there is no actual 4100 Park Ave.  So while this references the Powerhouse, it could potentially be any of the connected buildings? To show the differences, see the below snippet of the separate buildings that make up the complex, per the St. Louis Address and Property Information Portal.

Screenshot 2023-10-21 at 11.17.50 PM.png (402.09KiB)

4110 Park: Owned by WILLERT CO, is the building with the smoke stacks
4128 Park: Owned by PARK AVENUE TOWERS LLC, with the second owner listed as William D. Willert. Has a residence on the top floor used by the Willerts or whoever they let stay that you can see the light in the window from Folsom sometimes.
4130 Park: Owned by 4140 PARK LLC, which is UIC. This is the section that has been targeted for residential and/or mixed use conversion previously.
4150 Park: Owned by WILLERT HOME PRODUCTS INC.

There have been various discussions over the years from a plethora of different parties with Willert about selling 4128 and/or 4150. But the asking price was high. So my somewhat outdated educated guess is that Willert is looking for tax credits to potentially update their portion at 4110 for more office space and/or expand manufacturing in it.

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PostMar 26, 2025#20

Alive! SLDC Plan Room: 
"The project will include 73 apartments. Level 1 provides a leasing office, apartments, bike storage, artist studios, loading dock, conference room, mail, fitness and lounge. Level 2 through Penthouse are apartments. The level 5 features 2 unites with private decks and a small public deck."
https://www.sldcplanroom.com/projects/6 ... renovation

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PostMar 26, 2025#21

^Damn, I want this one so bad - such a cool spot!

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PostMar 26, 2025#22

Ready for this!

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PostMar 27, 2025#23

Hopefully there is easy access to Folsom Ave

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PostJun 25, 2025#24

https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... louis.html

Former Liggett and Myers Tobacco building at 4140 Park Ave to be turned into 73 apartments and 14 artist studios for $32 million.

The project includes an 80% tax abatement for 10 years, with a sales tax exemption on building materials.

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PostJul 14, 2025#25

$0 zoning-only building permit application submitted

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