National Soccer Hall of Fame

kmurph42 · PostFeb 15, 2012#12012-02-15T02:49+00:00

A few years back, the National Soccer Hall of Fame in up state New York closed down. As the MLS becomes more and more popular, I am sure that the Hall of Fame will look to reopen somewhere.

Already, St. Louis is trying to build off its proud history of blues music with the National Blues Museum. Why not build off our proud soccer history? Obviously, there are no movements to attract the HOF now but it would be something I am sure the St. Louis public would support. Plus, it would make another great addition to the city.

stlien · PostFeb 15, 2012#22012-02-15T04:35+00:00

I agree, it would be awesome to have here. In due time my friend.

Alex Ihnen · PostFeb 15, 2012#32012-02-15T04:36+00:00

Would almost have to be attached to an MLS stadium to attract enough visitors to be viable.

RuskiSTL · PostFeb 15, 2012#42012-02-15T05:19+00:00

yeah no MLS no way we get this. for all the mess Cooper cooked up, at least we were at the table with AC St. Louis. Now we don't even have an invite to the party. A local group just bought the Blues, time for a group to step up for MLS

PostFeb 15, 2012#52012-02-15T05:22+00:00

PS anywhere in Kosciusko bordering 7th would be ideal for a soccer park...views of the brewery and arch. Ugh, why can't I have a spare 100 million

newstl2020 · PostFeb 15, 2012#62012-02-15T14:47+00:00

^Like the thinking, but I think you are a bit short on cash with your number there. $100mm wouldn't even get you in discussions for an MLS team. I believe the franchise fee alone is something like $50mm still. Shoot for half a $B just to be safe

RuskiSTL · PostFeb 15, 2012#72012-02-15T16:59+00:00

^^ oh yeah I meant for just the team start up costs, although i guess by now that still might be too low. Garber is insane though with those high entry fees. Montreal paid 40 mill as the last club to get in. So 40 mil + 110 mil for a grade A urban stadium (that's how much the new Houston one is costing) + 20 mil to spend on setting up a team roster (full of St. Louisans) + 5 mil to set up an academy + 15 mil to run the club..... wow almost 200 mil just to start the club up right.

Then account for all the development around the stadium.....

I'm just hopin that St. Louis taking this long to get a team means its done right when it actually happens. It needs to be in the city, I'm thinkin Soulard or South City somewhere. And the owner better have some cash to invest in redeveloping the neighborhood with some nice dense/tall surrounds. Go check out Portland around Jen Weld Field.

Alex Ihnen · PostFeb 15, 2012#82012-02-15T17:00+00:00

Seattle and Philly paid $30M each to join the league. Expansion in 2009 was $40M/team. In 2008 the average MLS team was estimated to be worth $37M.

Royalty · PostFeb 15, 2012#92012-02-15T22:53+00:00

Alex Ihnen wrote:Seattle and Philly paid $30M each to join the league. Expansion in 2009 was $40M/team. In 2008 the average MLS team was estimated to be worth $37M.

^ Sounds like a terrible investment. Clearly the only reason to run a pro soccer team then is for fun. Doesn't look like there's any real capital gains given the investment and any operating profit margins look are so risky. Even the wikipedia page says they're on a thin margin.

the central scrutinizer · PostFeb 16, 2012#102012-02-16T00:06+00:00

Royalty wrote:
Alex Ihnen wrote:Seattle and Philly paid $30M each to join the league. Expansion in 2009 was $40M/team. In 2008 the average MLS team was estimated to be worth $37M.
^ Sounds like a terrible investment. Clearly the only reason to run a pro soccer team then is for fun. Doesn't look like there's any real capital gains given the investment and any operating profit margins look are so risky. Even the wikipedia page says they're on a thin margin.

If I was a billionaire, I'd be buying into MLS right now. I think 10-20 years down the road, the payoff will be handsome.

newstl2020 · PostFeb 16, 2012#112012-02-16T02:17+00:00

^That.

RuskiSTL · PostFeb 16, 2012#122012-02-16T02:24+00:00

Royalty wrote:
Alex Ihnen wrote:Seattle and Philly paid $30M each to join the league. Expansion in 2009 was $40M/team. In 2008 the average MLS team was estimated to be worth $37M.
^ Sounds like a terrible investment. Clearly the only reason to run a pro soccer team then is for fun. Doesn't look like there's any real capital gains given the investment and any operating profit margins look are so risky. Even the wikipedia page says they're on a thin margin.

the thing is at least they're on a margin now. the last couple years have been the first times that any of the teams break even. there's plenty of money to be made but its hard to catch up when youre over a hundred years behind. I'd venture to say MLS will overtake NBA and NHL one day

Alex Ihnen · PostFeb 16, 2012#132012-02-16T04:26+00:00

^ I'd agree, it just seems like such a long ways off. Maybe 30yrs?

the count · PostFeb 16, 2012#142012-02-16T16:33+00:00

Hope it's OK I am posting this here. Today, at noon our time, Manchester United will be playing Ajax Amsterdam in the Amsterdam Arena in the first round of the Europa League. Both teams were unexpectedly knocked out of the Champions League in the last round. Ajax is missing 6 base players and they've been terrible this season. Nevertheless, it should be a fun game to watch. Amsterdam Tavern will be showing it.

I expect a win for Man U: 1-3

Match Preview

the central scrutinizer · PostFeb 16, 2012#152012-02-16T16:38+00:00

the count wrote:Hope it's OK I am posting this here. Today, at noon our time, Manchester United will be playing Ajax Amsterdam in the Amsterdam Arena in the first round of the Europa League. Both teams were unexpectedly knocked out of the Champions League in the last round. Ajax is missing 6 base players and they've been terrible this season. Nevertheless, it should be a fun game to watch. Amsterdam Tavern will be showing it.

I expect a win for Man U: 1-3

Match Preview

I concur with your prediction of the winner. I'm sure there will be folks watching at OB Clark's and Barristers, among other places.

PostFeb 16, 2012#162012-02-16T16:39+00:00

RuskiSTL wrote:
Royalty wrote:
Alex Ihnen wrote:Seattle and Philly paid $30M each to join the league. Expansion in 2009 was $40M/team. In 2008 the average MLS team was estimated to be worth $37M.
^ Sounds like a terrible investment. Clearly the only reason to run a pro soccer team then is for fun. Doesn't look like there's any real capital gains given the investment and any operating profit margins look are so risky. Even the wikipedia page says they're on a thin margin.
the thing is at least they're on a margin now. the last couple years have been the first times that any of the teams break even. there's plenty of money to be made but its hard to catch up when youre over a hundred years behind. I'd venture to say MLS will overtake NBA and NHL one day

I don't know about the NBA, but I'd argue that they already have passed the NHL.

moorlander · PostFeb 16, 2012#172012-02-16T23:29+00:00

^ snicker snicker

RuskiSTL · PostFeb 17, 2012#182012-02-17T03:05+00:00

I wonder what % of nextstlers are soccer fans? Compared to % of Saint Louisans?

Notice soccer fans. not, I played soccer when I was a kid and when I had a kid.

RobbyD · PostFeb 17, 2012#192012-02-17T13:40+00:00

There is no doubting the rise in popularity of mls...much of that due to the increasing influence of the our growing Hispanic community I'd bet...

I rink looking at attendance numbers to draw big conclusions can be somewhat misleading (thouh the tends are clear)...mls is normally played in bigger stadium s than basketball or hockey and with many fewer dates...if attendance defined popularity then NASCAR is frankly a king...if you consider racing a sport...which ESPN seems to do...

Personally, I think hockey is.the best in person spectator sport...horrible on tv...and just crazy electric during the play offs...go blues, baby...

PostFeb 17, 2012#202012-02-17T13:45+00:00

And I would hope for a mls club in st Louis before a hall of fame...I'd think an emerging sports hof would be located near a ton of population with some real historic connection to the professional sport...then again, who really knows how it'd do here...we did have a bowling hof.....

beer city · PostOct 10, 2012#212012-10-10T19:08+00:00

How sweet would this be in US

Vance1 · PostOct 11, 2012#222012-10-11T14:24+00:00

What city in New York are able to is the Nationwide Football hall of fame
it that right? because I am not sure about that please help me.

National Soccer Hall of Fame & Museum
18 Stadium Circle
Oneonta, NY 13820

beer city · PostMay 14, 2015#232015-05-14T00:18+00:00

Peacock mentions the Union Electric Power Building as a location of the US National Soccer Hall of Fame - With the rise of the sport in the past decade this could turn into a very big deal

http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news ... twt&page=2

PostOct 01, 2015#242015-10-01T03:22+00:00

And it goes to Dallas - Part of Toyota Stadium - Shame with the riverfront plan coming together - Another missed opportunity

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2 ... ign=Unpaid