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What's there to do?

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PostDec 25, 2010#1

I visit St. Louis often, and I plan on moving to St. Louis upon graduation from college; but besides a trip to the East St. Louis side of the Mississippi River for a scenic view of Downtown, I can't ever recall spending any time in the Metro East.

I know the names of most towns over there, and I know small tidbits of information based off of pictures and hear-say, but nothing more. I get the impression that most of the cities over there are old and rural. I'll be in St. Louis at some point in early January, and I'm hoping to actually set aside some time to visit the Illinois side of St. Louis, assuming the weather isn't too bad.

So, what is there to do in the Metro East?

I've heard in recent years that the Metro East is growing at a faster pace than the areas in Missouri. Is this is so, are there any exciting developments or downtowns in the Metro East?

I've heard okay things about Belleville.

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PostDec 25, 2010#2

Off the top of my head:

The best fried chicken in the area is found at Gallagher's in Waterloo. One of the best Thai places in town is in Columbia. Belleville is nice, like you said. Avoid anything around East St Louis. A lot of people will say Fast Eddie's, but you can skip it. Used to be some nice pubs in Collinsville, but that's been quite a few years ago.

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PostDec 26, 2010#3

Would you say Gallagher's is better than Hodak's?

I love me some Hodak's.

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PostDec 26, 2010#4

jaynovahawk07 wrote:Would you say Gallagher's is better than Hodak's?

I love me some Hodak's.
Way, way better. Not even close.

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PostDec 26, 2010#5

Then I'm going to have to check this place out. It sounds amazing.

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PostDec 26, 2010#6

Some bad advise, Central! lol ...Fast Eddie's is a can't miss place IMO, especially if there's live music out on the patio...The drive to Alton, IL is nice, get to see and use the Clark Bridge...The city of Alton is also scenic...Gotta see the bald eagles up there in the winter too...amazing...

Edwardsville, IL is a great little place that has made some top 10 places to live lists...

My folks live in O'fallon, IL...another small bedroom community...

The McKendree College campus in Lebanon, IL is very nice and has been the target of Sunday drives with the top down...

Belleville, IL has a highly regarded Art Fair every year and a neat town center...

Pere Marquette State Park near Grafton, IL is also beautiful and is worth a Sunday drive.

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PostDec 26, 2010#7

Sounds like the Metro East has, for the most part, a nice mix of small midwestern towns.

Is that side of St. Louis growing as quickly as I've heard? I can't find a single town over 45,000 in population.

PostDec 26, 2010#8

So I've done some quick wikipedia research, and I think I've come to the conclusion that the Metro East is NOT growing at all that quickly a pace.

Back in 2000, there were 599,845 residents in the Madison, St. Clair, Clinton, Monroe, and Jersey counties. Circa 2006, there were 217,543. Now, using a simple linear equation for growth, which fails to factor in the economic recession or anything else of that nature, I've got 629,341 people living in the Metro East. If that's even remotely near the truth, I can't say I'm at all impressed. For comparison, St. Charles County grew from 283,833 residents in 2000 to 349,407 in 2008 - a change of 65,573; more than double that of all five counties I just mentioned in Illinois.

EDIT: I only factored in the counties used in 2000 census. Three additional counties were added in 2004 - Bond, Calhoun, and Macoupin - but I think to add these numbers to the list of original counties would be cheating and that it wouldn't, in any way, display true growth numbers in these areas over the last 10 years.

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PostDec 26, 2010#9

RobbyD wrote:Some bad advise, Central! lol ...Fast Eddie's is a can't miss place IMO, especially if there's live music out on the patio...
I guess I don't have the need to drive an hour to see the same hoosiers I can see on the Landing. :)

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PostDec 26, 2010#10

^True that...but I really believe Fast Eddie's is an American classic...

^^I have no idea about facts and figures on population of the Metro East, but it the area reminds me of growing up in Atlanta in the early to mid-80s (Atlanta has since doubled since then I believe) with a major league city sitting literally 20 minutes from small town America...For all the talk sometimes of the comeptition between the two states, I personally believe the Metro East is a huge asset to St. Louis...I mean that, for those that don't want urban living, they have small town options that aren't almost in Columbia, MO...They are Illinioans over there, but they are clear St. Louisans too...Just my personal observations...

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PostDec 27, 2010#11

I'd love to see the Illinois side of St. Louis grow and flourish like the surrounding areas in the Atlanta region have, but I don't know if it'll happen anytime soon.

The Illinois side of St. Louis is definitely important to the St. Louis Metro, but I don't believe it's as important as the Kansas side of Kansas City is to the Kansas City Metro.

I'd like to see it become that way, but I'm not sure those in Illinois do.

Split-duty China hub operations at Lambert and Mid-America may be the one thing that can finally leave this region fully understanding and realizing its potential. It may also be the one thing that can spark true growth on both sides of river simultaneously.

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PostDec 27, 2010#12

Isn't Shiloh (along I-64 toward Scott AFB) booming now? Everytime I drive through, there is a ton of new construction.

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PostDec 27, 2010#13

Shiloh had 7,643 residents in the year 2000, and a 2005 estimate claims they have more than 11,000 residents.

If development continued at that same pace, they'd be in the range of 14,500-15,000 for 2010/2011.

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PostDec 27, 2010#14

Another must see not yet mentioned is Cahokia Mounds, which is the most underappreciated asset in the entire StL region. Downtown Edwardsville is also nice.

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PostDec 27, 2010#15

I'll second the trip to Pere Marquette park - It's a great day trip that I've made many times. Any time's a good time to go, but it's an especially beautiful drive in the fall when the leaves turn.

I've actually never been to Fast Eddie's, despite being raised in the STL area - something I hope to remedy soon. But I can vouch for Alton as a destination. I'd highly recommend exploring around town; there's some excellent small-town architecture there. Work your way up on top of the bluffs on the east end of town and you'll see beautiful homes with great river views. When you're finished, head northeast along the Great River Road.

On your way, just outside of Alton, the painting of the Piasa Bird is worth at least a brief stop.

Next, stop at Elsah, a tiny little village tucked into a valley right off the river road. The whole village is stuck in a 19th-century time warp, and many of the homes and businesses predate the civil war.

Grafton's main street is next along the way and is directly on the River Road. It's a quaint collection of shops and attractions. It's been a while since I've been there, but you might check out the Fin Inn, a self-proclaimed "aquarium restaurant" that has fish tanks full of local aquatic wildlife/cuisine at the tables and around the restaurant.

When you finally arrive at Pere Marquette State Park, be sure to check out the lodge at the park's entrance. From there, take the road up to the bluffs where you'll find observation points with Panoramic views of the Mississippi river valley and the flats between the Mississippi, Illinois, and Missouri rivers. If you enjoy hiking, there are great trails here as well (but time-wise, that will probably preclude you from following the rest of my trip below...)

On your way back to St. Louis, take the free Brussels Ferry across the Illinois river and stop for an old family-style dinner at the Wittmond Hotel in Brussels, IL. "Family-style" food means they serve everyone the same meal - there are no choices on the menu other than drinks; but the food is plentiful and friggin' awesome.

After dinner at the Wittmond, head south and take the Golden Eagle ferry back to MO. Turn right on State Highway B, then left onto State Highway C and that will route you through old-town St. Peters and end up at Mid Rivers Mall Drive, where you can take I-70 back into the city.

^ That's my usual route, and it takes you through some beautiful land. The Brussels/Golden Eagle/pre-St. Peters area is *very* rural, but you're still only a few miles away from (suburban, anyway) civilization. I highly recommend if if you've got a full day to blow.

-RBB

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PostDec 27, 2010#16

I've never been to Elsah. Looks interesting. I'll follow your itinerary some day.

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PostDec 27, 2010#17

^^What a comprehensive list! I appreciate it. I've clicked all the links and I truly think this sounds like a great time.

I said earlier in this thread that from what I'd been told, the Metro East sounded like a nice collection of small Midwestern towns. Your post furthers my belief in that, and I would definitely love to visit these areas.

When I head over there, I'll be sure to use your itinerary. I've got nothing else to use as a guide for a full-day over there!

Again, thank you.

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PostDec 27, 2010#18

RBB, excellent itenary. I'll also add though that there are other excellent attractions along the Great River Road, including the Lewis and Clark historic site and new Confluence observation tower (both south of Alton in Hartford) and the Melvin Price Lock and Dam/ National Great Rivers Museum.

When you add in the attractions on the Missouri side, such as Columbia Bottoms, Fort Bellefontaine, and of course the bi-state Old Chain of Rocks Bridge, a proper "staycation" of the Confluence can easily last 2-3 days.

PostDec 27, 2010#19

Also of great interest to history buffs are the "Creole Corridor" legacy buildings in Cahokia. A bit farther south are more colonial Creole buildings in Fort des Chartes and Ellis Grove, but I would say while the latter are definitely worthy of a trip its not really the Metro East.

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PostDec 27, 2010#20

The suggestions in this thread have been great.

Do you see more attractions arising in the Metro East as it continue to grow, or do you see it slowing losing its flavor and becoming a giant suburb to St. Louis?

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PostDec 27, 2010#21

jaynovahawk07 wrote:The suggestions in this thread have been great.

Do you see more attractions arising in the Metro East as it continue to grow, or do you see it slowing losing its flavor and becoming a giant suburb to St. Louis?
The latter, for the most part, is already underway.

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PostDec 28, 2010#22

I'm sure there are mixed feelings on that. Growth is great, but losing historic relevance isn't.

It'd be nice to see them preserve the historical aspects of each town as the surrounding community grows.

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PostDec 28, 2010#23

^Obviously, well have to wait and see what happens...Most of the new commercial development near where my folks live has been in Shiloh, IL and Fairview Heights, IL, areas that I would imagine were once farmland...No real need out there to tear down to grow and expand...There was controversy in O'fallon, IL when Shiloh secured a rapid expansion of suburban retail/commercial development...There are quite a few tax dollars to be made by a municipality from all of that I would imagine...One of the factors in the local politics there was an effort to ensure that O'fallon not lose its quiet bedroom community status...It does seem that neither Mascoutah, O'fallon or Bellville (with B'ville on something of revitalization) has seen much decline or loss of character with the retail/commercial growth of nearby communities...

I think the big test for the viability of some MEtro East communities will come as older suburban homes (neighborhoods built out in the 60s and 70s) begin to hit their normal life expectancy before major renovation and repair is required...Will another generation want to move in and spend the dollars required to bring these properties up to contemporary snuff or will these neighborhoods slowly devalue and literally fall apart leaving us with areas of suburban blight (IMO the next big concern for metro areas)...The inner neighborhoods of O'fallon (30s and 40s) have generally held up (houses in decent repair, yards kept) but can be hit or miss and are generally poorer than they orginally were and than surrounding neighborhoods...Will the region be able to grow enough to maintain its existing housing stock in addition to new construction? Without immigration/migration, my impression is 'no' as each subsequent generation of post-war boomers in suburbia is having less and less kids and the appeal of more urban/sustainable/walkable living steals away some who previously headed for the suburbs/exburbs...