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Home building permits down in St. Charles County

Home building permits down in St. Charles County

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PostSep 14, 2007#1

BJ has a story today about building permits being down again in St. Charles County. With all the growth it had to happen at some point, but it's maybe another reminder of how some places are hit harder than others when there's a housing slump. (BTW- are rehabs in the city counted when looking at building permits?)



St. Charles County building permits (Jan-July):

2004: 2,525

2005: 2,322

2006: 2,012

2007: 1,853



The same story shows St. Louis City permits down from 612 in 2006 to 557 in 2007. I'd guess that 557 is still well above 2004 and 2005 levels?

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PostNov 20, 2007#3

The Business Journal has an interesting piece on St. Charles County in the current issue that specifically mentions growth in Illinois as the biggest competitor for residents. Just the fact this is being mentioned really says something as mainstream media is often quite behind the curve. The story is couched in "growth over there doesn't mean less growth here," but that is exactly what it means. It's mentioned in the article that further western and northern growth depends on infrastructure being built - highways, sewers and water mains. The story concludes by saying "the market will tell us how far west and north developments will go. And realize that for everything you get in terms of lower prices (land), you give something up in convenience." These guys sound smart. It's also noted that until the MRB is built, the lack of an additional connection to the metro east will limit development to some extent (nice call in the other thread Little E - mentioned that MO could be stalling with the bridge on purpose for this reason (and to the detriment of the entire MSA - IMO)).

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PostNov 21, 2007#4

I'd like to put my 2 cents in. There really isn't many areas left in Saint Charles county to build larger housing developments. I'd say the only area left is the Hwy Z corridor down to New Melle and it appears that the land owners in that neck of the woods are implementing a 5 acre rule... so some of the slowdown might be due to infill scenarios.



Well unless they start building more homes down in the floodplains such as New Town.



That is the one thing I do not get about New Town; why in the hell would anyone buy a house that exists in a floodplain - no matter the assurances of the builder.



I don't trust it and I say the place floods catastrophically within 100 years.

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PostNov 21, 2007#5

As mentioned in the New Town St. Charles thread, villageidiot:



New Town is not in the 100year flood plain but at or above the 500 year flood plain where development is allowed. The area in which New Town is located was not flooded in the 1993 great flood. So, please get your facts straight, New Town is not flood plain but former farmland.

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PostNov 21, 2007#6

So if it is a 500 flood plain it isn't a flood plain?



Ok, so they are rolling the dice that there won't be a "500 year" flood in the next century. How would they know that?



Old rule of thumb says that you should never build in a river valley because the river will always win.



I think that is a wise rule of thumb.



I like the development and I think it will look really nice in several years when the trees grow, but the fact remains that it is in a flood plain mere miles from where the two biggest rivers of the north american continent converge.



I'd say that is a gamble regardless of what sort of risk assessment is presented by the experts.