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$300 million North County Casino Planned

$300 million North County Casino Planned

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PostJul 04, 2008#1

A group called North County Development LLC, based in Wood River, has submitted plans for a $300 million casino, with an attached golf course, on 376 acres in unincorporated Spanish Lake.



The area is on Riverview Boulevard, just north of the Interstate 270 bridge in the Chain of Rocks area.


http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... enDocument

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PostJul 04, 2008#2

The last thing the area needs is another stinkin' casino.

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PostJul 04, 2008#3

I'd love to see another casino, but put it Downtown, not in the suburbs, please.



Of course, this plan means nothing, if the loss limit passes, which would prohibit any new casinos.

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PostJul 04, 2008#4

^ Exactly, but thats the problem of having a split govt. When your city is not part of your county! We have separate govt. in the same metropolitan area fighting over petty dollars. I hope this gets slammed to the ground, because all it will do is bleed the local community, because nobody is going to come from out of town to go to a casino in freakin North County! I would really like to see them create our own version of a Las Vegas styled strip on the Northern Riverfront, now that would be a tourist attraction. We could start converting some of those abandoned warehouse to clubs, bars, hotels etc.

But that might be to visionary for St. Louis.

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PostJul 08, 2008#5

Ugh, how many more casinos do we need around here?

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PostJul 09, 2008#6

If I'm not mistaken the area they are proposing to build the casino floods pretty easily. Maybe I'm just thinking what happened in 93 but that whole area was flooded pretty bad.



I'm thinking that's not the best area in North County to build a casino.

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PostJul 09, 2008#7

Thanks, but no thanks. Enough casinos.

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PostJul 09, 2008#8

goat314 wrote:I would really like to see them create our own version of a Las Vegas styled strip on the Northern Riverfront, now that would be a tourist attraction. We could start converting some of those abandoned warehouse to clubs, bars, hotels etc.


Agreed, that would be profound and fundamentally game-changing.



Better idea: Open up IL to a string of casinos along the riverfront north of the Eads Bridge. The area is a hellhole right now and needs changes that can come only with significant capital investments, ones that Springfield, IL won't provide to SW IL, and specifically the East Side. Let them reinvest, build casinos, and change the face of the land between East StL and Venice. It's already pretty much a nightmare; a strip of casinos may actually alleviate the area of its gross sin allocations, imagine that.



Focus: This isn't going to happen. The rest of the state has called for a moratorium on new casino licenses, holding out the full moratorium only until the Lemay River City casino is done. Sure, a new casino could tap into the Florissant dollars that go to Alton, but it's not going to happen.

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PostJul 10, 2008#9

I could see the East Side getting another casino. But it would only happen in exchange for Metro East state legislators approving the Chicago Loop casino.

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PostJul 10, 2008#10

goat314 wrote:I would really like to see them create our own version of a Las Vegas styled strip on the Northern Riverfront, now that would be a tourist attraction. We could start converting some of those abandoned warehouse to clubs, bars, hotels etc.

But that might be to visionary for St. Louis.


Just because someone would be opposed to that doesn't mean that they are backwards or unvisionary. I don't want St. Louis to become another Las Vagas or Atlantic City. Maybe this is just a pet-peeve of mine but I put this into the same category as people wanting to call the Metrolink "the M". It sounds like the geeky kid at school that tries to be cool so he can fit in with all the popular kids. St. Louis should not try to be something that it's not. Should we strive for a vibrant, urban city? Of course. But I don't think this has to be done by the expense of our identity.

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PostJul 10, 2008#11

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goat314 wrote:I would really like to see them create our own version of a Las Vegas styled strip on the Northern Riverfront, now that would be a tourist attraction. We could start converting some of those abandoned warehouse to clubs, bars, hotels etc.

But that might be to visionary for St. Louis.


Just because someone would be opposed to that doesn't mean that they are backwards or unvisionary. I don't want St. Louis to become another Las Vagas or Atlantic City. Maybe this is just a pet-peeve of mine but I put this into the same category as people wanting to call the Metrolink "the M". It sounds like the geeky kid at school that tries to be cool so he can fit in with all the popular kids. St. Louis should not try to be something that it's not. Should we strive for a vibrant, urban city? Of course. But I don't think this has to be done by the expense of our identity.


No offense Shimmy, but what is St. Louis's identity? Cowtown! I hate to break it to you, but St. Louis is many different things to many different people. Some may see St. Louis as a place to raise your kids, while others see a big ghetto, and other a nice place to visit (its all perception) etc. etc. I don't see how concentrating a large number of casinos in one area with clubs, bars, dining and trolleys running down the street eventually creating a huge Redlight district on the riverfront is breaking aways from St. Louis's "identity", I see it as a major tourist attraction and millions of dollars in tax revenue, but maybe I'm not a true Show-Me-Stater. One of the major problems St. Louis has is places like Gaslight Square don't exist anymore and too many things close up early in the city (how can you have nightlife, when everyone is sleep?), name a truly vibrant urban city without some kind of major party all night or gambling or get drunk district.

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PostJul 10, 2008#12

goat314 wrote:
Shimmy wrote:
goat314 wrote:I would really like to see them create our own version of a Las Vegas styled strip on the Northern Riverfront, now that would be a tourist attraction. We could start converting some of those abandoned warehouse to clubs, bars, hotels etc.

But that might be to visionary for St. Louis.


Just because someone would be opposed to that doesn't mean that they are backwards or unvisionary. I don't want St. Louis to become another Las Vagas or Atlantic City. Maybe this is just a pet-peeve of mine but I put this into the same category as people wanting to call the Metrolink "the M". It sounds like the geeky kid at school that tries to be cool so he can fit in with all the popular kids. St. Louis should not try to be something that it's not. Should we strive for a vibrant, urban city? Of course. But I don't think this has to be done by the expense of our identity.


No offense Shimmy, but what is St. Louis's identity? Cowtown! I hate to break it to you, but St. Louis is many different things to many different people. Some may see St. Louis as a place to raise your kids, while others see a big ghetto, and other a nice place to visit (its all perception) etc. etc. I don't see how concentrating a large number of casinos in one area with clubs, bars, dining and trolleys running down the street eventually creating a huge Redlight district on the riverfront is breaking aways from St. Louis's "identity", I see it as a major tourist attraction and millions of dollars in tax revenue, but maybe I'm not a true Show-Me-Stater. One of the major problems St. Louis has is places like Gaslight Square don't exist anymore and too many things close up early in the city (how can you have nightlife, when everyone is sleep?), name a truly vibrant urban city without some kind of major party all night or gambling or get drunk district.


No offense taken, I understand you arguement. Perhaps it's because I'm more of a mellow dude and am not a hard partier or run with that crowd, but in a city (and a forum) that have a hard enough time trying to get St. Louis' assets known (aka its neighborhoods) I only see a casino district hurting in that fight. If you're into clubbing and that scene, that's great, but I think that a club district can be accomplished elsewhere in the city without the help of casinos that encourage people to remain there and spend all their money there. It could also be done without sacrificing the city's heritage.

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PostJul 10, 2008#13

All of the bars in Texas close before 2 AM. No gambling, in the cities anyway. And lots of dry counties and communities. Yet Dallas, Austin, and sometimes Houston, show up on lists of best cities for singles, and those cities and San Antonio are top tourist and/or convention destinations.

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PostNov 06, 2008#14

so is this off the table now?

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PostNov 06, 2008#15

I would say Pinnacle holds the Ace considering they own the gambling license to a riverboat. Would they favor sale to the highest biddder, want to be part of the North County action (keep the license, gambling revenure & fees to be there), build a new casino next to their current one?



My initial bet was they were going to stay put considering the propery they have secured. However, with a lousy development & credit market as well as reduced gambling revenue they might go for cash offer on their gambling license.



My hope is that Pinnacle continues to build up Laclede's Landing with a second new casino to replace the riverboat and go ahead with aparmemtn/condo/retail as per the phase II plans. A north county doesn't increase the appeal to outsiders. Its just gives the same people a different place to drive to. So one night the drive to North County, the next South County, maybe to Afton, IL the following day or St. Charles. Lacleade is the one area that can truly define itself differently from the rest.