Black Bear Pancakes on Cherokee Street!

Mark! · PostFeb 10, 2008#12008-02-10T21:44+00:00

Black Bear Bakery Saturday Pancake Breakfast!!

We invite you to our All-You-Can-Eat pancake breakfast serving cornmeal pancakes and whole grain (dairy-free) pancakes with pure maple syrup, butter, and raspberry sauce. Delicious!

When: Saturday February 16, 2008

Time: 9am to 1pm

Where: Black Bear Bakery, 2639 Cherokee

Cost: $8-$10

Stop by Black Bear Bakery's location on Cherokee Street in the Vandora Theater building featuring an historic rehab with 18 foot ceilings and historic bakery decor and a balcony. This breakfast is also the first breakfast initiating Black Bear's serving of delicious pancakes every Saturday to our customers. We plan to slowly grow this Saturday pancake breakfast into more days and more menu items during 2008.

www.blackbearbakery.org

chris_on_kingsbury · PostFeb 11, 2008#22008-02-11T03:08+00:00

Welcome Mark, the different breads from your bakery also look great.

framer · PostFeb 11, 2008#32008-02-11T06:22+00:00

Isn't Black Bear the place that supports murderers?

manchester · PostFeb 11, 2008#42008-02-11T07:31+00:00

^yea I wondered that too.......do you guys support Kevin Johnson the guy that was convicted of murdering the kirkwood police officer?

the central scrutinizer · PostFeb 11, 2008#52008-02-11T14:34+00:00

Framer wrote:Isn't Black Bear the place that supports murderers?

I've heard that, but in addition, they're pretend anarchists. A real anarchist wouldn't charge for their products (capitalism is evil, don't you know), which makes these guys poseurs.

I'll get my bakery products on the Hill or elsewhere.

innov8ion · PostFeb 11, 2008#62008-02-11T15:15+00:00

Anarchy defined wrote:Anarchy is the condition resulting from an absence of governing forces. Often synonymous with chaos or disorder. Anarchism is the political philosophy that holds that the destruction of government authority will yield justice and equality in society.

Yes, because the anarchists care about justice and equality in society. That's why they sold t-shirts in support of an individual guilty of killing a St. Louis policeman. Because that's just. Or something.

Raspberry syrup? How apropos. I bet the color of the syrup looks just like Robert McEntee's blood. I'd like to see groups of people go there on Saturdays for pancakes, douse the place with raspberry syrup and leave without paying the bill. What's the bakery going to do? Call the police? Ahem, anarchists don't believe in rules.

And if they were to object, on what basis? Who are they to impose their societal norms on others? Fascist pigs.

The hypocrisy of the anarchists such that Black Bear represents would be amusing if it weren't all too disgusting. Shame on them.

matt drops the h · PostFeb 11, 2008#72008-02-11T16:38+00:00

Very inappropriate. Black Bear Bakery attempts to provide low cost healthy food in a location that the chains won't yet touch.

I appreciate the announcement.

While I am not informed as to what you all are referring to, some of your track records indicate you like to comfortably compress everything into two neat dimensions. Try admitting to yourselves that you don't know everything and there are so many complexities in the world that defy clearcut, definitive explanation.

Here is their description:

Black Bear Bakery is an anarchist collective bakery. We make decisions together as a group and try to achieve consensus. Not everyone at Black Bear is an anarchist but it is an ethic many of us embrace. We are not afraid of the paradoxes of modern life: we are part of the system we want to move beyond—we are anti-capitalists running a business. Anarchism is a whole life vision that seeks to undermine all sources of imbalanced, repressive power from the state & market econ to racism and sexism through the support of equal mutually respectful relationships and direct lived experience, and community empowerment. If government is top-down control and repression then anarchism is the opposite, process and change. Anarchists have been in the cutting edge of class war and labor struggle such as the 8 hour day, establishing schools that respect children, birth control, free speech, movement against free trade, the environmental and animal rights movement. anarchists have been in the forefront of these movements and in the use of the most creative tactics such as over 180 web-based independent media centers globally (see stlimc.org)., direct action, animal liberations, black blocs, sabotage (eco and work related), food not bombs, and squats. Anarchists are not a united movement, and anarchists are not necessarily in agreement on ideas and actions. For example some anarchists are pacifists and some think that politicians who advocate government sponsored terrorism have outlived themselves. Some vote, and some are against voting. Some are religious and some are atheist. Some are professionals and some are coal miners and some refuse to hold jobs. Leo Tolstoy was a Christian anarchist; Emma Goldman spoke for birth control and free speech (her mugshot portrait is in our café), Ricardo Flores Magon was a Mexican anarchist who declared Land and Liberty during the Mexican Revolution. (You can also see his portrait in our café), Samuel Mbah is a Nigerian anarchist writer. sacco&vanzetti, haymarket martyrs, Today you see a resurgence of interest in anarchism as one of the few ideas today that offers real resistence to power because the left is in a dismal state, advocating war, caving in to free trade and not questioning the mass production system that is threatening the planet.

southsidepride · PostFeb 11, 2008#82008-02-11T16:46+00:00

^what's to understand? If this bakery sold t-shirts that said "I support Kevin Johnson" who murdered a Kirkwood cop in cold blood, then it is a business that will never get my money.

drunkrusski · PostFeb 11, 2008#92008-02-11T17:03+00:00

Although it is a shame that McAntree was killed, Johnson was in emotional instability as his 12-year old half-brother just died a few hours ago, if my memory serves me correctly, and he felt the police were to blame.

That said, murder is never acceptable, and to glorify it by selling t-shirts is even less so. I personally would never step food in this "bakery".

stlmike · PostFeb 11, 2008#102008-02-11T20:27+00:00

It's kind of a hilariously elaborate manifesto for being ...a bakery.

innov8ion · PostFeb 11, 2008#112008-02-11T21:13+00:00

Matt Drops The H wrote:Very inappropriate. Black Bear Bakery attempts to provide low cost healthy food in a location that the chains won't yet touch.

Yes, who cares if the proprietors of Black Bear Bakery have no respect for the sanctity of human life. They make bread from organic grains, damnit!

Matt Drops The H wrote:While I am not informed as to what you all are referring to, some of your track records indicate you like to comfortably compress everything into two neat dimensions. Try admitting to yourselves that you don't know everything and there are so many complexities in the world that defy clearcut, definitive explanation.

So let me get this straight. You know nothing about what we are referring to, yet you are making judgments? That seems a bit more than simple-minded; it seems ignorant. FYI: http://tinyurl.com/2werjt

debaliviere · PostFeb 11, 2008#122008-02-11T21:36+00:00

Wouldn't anarchists be in favor of freeing everyone?

moorlander · PostFeb 11, 2008#132008-02-11T21:52+00:00

Matt Drops The H wrote:Very inappropriate. Black Bear Bakery attempts to provide low cost healthy food in a location that the chains won't yet touch.

dweebe · PostFeb 11, 2008#142008-02-11T21:59+00:00

I do have a test today. that wasn't bullsh*t. It's on European socialism. I mean, really, what's the point? I'm not European. I don't plan on being European. So who cares if they're socialists? They could be fascist anarchists. It still doesn't change the fact that I don't own a car. Not that I condone fascism, or any -ism for that matter. -Ism's in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an -ism, he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in The Beatles, I just believe in me." Good point there. After all, he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. I'd still have to bum rides off people.

the central scrutinizer · PostFeb 11, 2008#152008-02-11T23:09+00:00

It's possible the group is connected with the local anarchist community. Shirts emblazoned with "Free Kevin Johnson" on the front and a quote from the MySpace page statement on the back are being distributed at the Black Bear Bakery on Cherokee Street, which is run by an anarchist collective.

The anarchist activists have clashed with white supremacists before, and it seems that now they're in the midst of another dispute. The person who answered the bakery's phone Friday morning says, "The bakery does not have an official stance." The worker declined to give his name, explaining, "We've been left a few threatening and racist comments on the phone."

These poseurs don't even have the cajones to stand behind their beliefs.

Since they hate money so much, they'll love me. Because I won't give them any.

MattnSTL · PostFeb 12, 2008#162008-02-12T00:36+00:00

That's enough for now.

gelatinousendive · PostFeb 12, 2008#172008-02-12T18:54+00:00

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
It's possible the group is connected with the local anarchist community. Shirts emblazoned with "Free Kevin Johnson" on the front and a quote from the MySpace page statement on the back are being distributed at the Black Bear Bakery on Cherokee Street, which is run by an anarchist collective.

The anarchist activists have clashed with white supremacists before, and it seems that now they're in the midst of another dispute. The person who answered the bakery's phone Friday morning says, "The bakery does not have an official stance." The worker declined to give his name, explaining, "We've been left a few threatening and racist comments on the phone."

These poseurs don't even have the cajones to stand behind their beliefs.

Since they hate money so much, they'll love me. Because I won't give them any.

CS, today you are making a lot of sense including your sig line from Penn.

Mark! · PostFeb 22, 2008#182008-02-22T19:50+00:00

Black Bear Bakery is not now, nor has it ever been a part of the FREE KEVIN JOHNSON Campaign. We have free literature racks that are open to a variety of activists that we may or may not agree with. The Kevin Johnson Support Group left free literature and free T-Shirts here in that spirit. At the time when they left materials at Black Bear, Kevin Johnson had not been to trial yet nor had he confessed to the shooting of Officer McEntee when the Support Group started their campaign.

Everyone deserves a fair trial; those that react against support for "Cop Killers" tend to dismiss that notion in such cases. On the one hand they want to defend the American justice system (legislation, policing, courts, punishment) on the other hand they want to deny those American rights to anyone they have found guilty or dislike. It's the "America: Love it or Leave it" attitude; we have freedom of speech but if you use it, then you don't belong here.

A young black man getting a fair trial or sentence in the shooting of a police officer is not very likely. Even if someone has been convicted that doesn't mean that the trial or sentence was fair or balanced. The campaign for Kevin Johnson brings these issues to light and is more important in the big picture than his trial. It is interesting how differently many people in the black community responds to Kevin Johnson's situation from other communities.

The other primary issue that the Kevin Johnson Trial brings up is the violent relationship that African Americans, especially youth, have with law enforcement. There have been a number of cases in St. Louis in which black youth have been victims of excessive to lethal police violence and whether the suspects are guilty of a specific crime is besides the point. Do I want someone to steal my car? No. Do I want the person who does to be beaten, tortured or executed for that? No.

Larger issues are rarely brought up in the reporting news items in the mainstream press. The killing of a police officer may not be justified by the deep seated relationship between cops and black youth but it can at least explain and hopefully teach a community how to change behavior patterns so that no one else has to die. Why did Kevin kill the officer within 2 hours of his brother's death? What was Kevin's relationship with police in the community?

Black Bear hopes that our reading library, free literature table, message board, events and food foster critical thinking about a variety of issues. We don't expect agreement within the collective and we certainly don't expect it from people who don't work here.

In the meantime, Black Bear Bakery serves delicious breakfasts every Saturday from 9am to 1pm.

--statement from Black Bear Bakery

southsidepride · PostFeb 22, 2008#192008-02-22T20:18+00:00

^If someone came into Black Bear with Backstoppers literature and t-shirts would they be placed alongside the "free Kevin Johnson" stuff?

dweebe · PostFeb 22, 2008#202008-02-22T20:36+00:00

southsidepride wrote:^If someone came into Black Bear with Backstoppers literature and t-shirts would they be placed alongside the "free Kevin Johnson" stuff?

My guess is that would all end up in the trash can in record time.

the central scrutinizer · PostFeb 22, 2008#212008-02-22T20:42+00:00

Mark! wrote:Black Bear Bakery is not now, nor has it ever been a part of the FREE KEVIN JOHNSON Campaign. We have free literature racks that are open to a variety of activists that we may or may not agree with. The Kevin Johnson Support Group left free literature and free T-Shirts here in that spirit. At the time when they left materials at Black Bear, Kevin Johnson had not been to trial yet nor had he confessed to the shooting of Officer McEntee when the Support Group started their campaign.

By allowing their literature in your establishment, you are at least a small part of it.

Mark! wrote:Everyone deserves a fair trial;

You're right. And Johnson got not just one, but two.

Mark! wrote:...those that react against support for "Cop Killers" tend to dismiss that notion in such cases. On the one hand they want to defend the American justice system (legislation, policing, courts, punishment) on the other hand they want to deny those American rights to anyone they have found guilty or dislike. It's the "America: Love it or Leave it" attitude; we have freedom of speech but if you use it, then you don't belong here.

Why on earth would anyone support a cop killer?

Mark! wrote:A young black man getting a fair trial or sentence in the shooting of a police officer is not very likely. Even if someone has been convicted that doesn't mean that the trial or sentence was fair or balanced. The campaign for Kevin Johnson brings these issues to light and is more important in the big picture than his trial. It is interesting how differently many people in the black community responds to Kevin Johnson's situation from other communities.

Name a single thing that was unfair about Johnson's trial.

Mark! wrote:The other primary issue that the Kevin Johnson Trial brings up is the violent relationship that African Americans, especially youth, have with law enforcement. There have been a number of cases in St. Louis in which black youth have been victims of excessive to lethal police violence and whether the suspects are guilty of a specific crime is besides the point. Do I want someone to steal my car? No. Do I want the person who does to be beaten, tortured or executed for that? No.

Personally, I wouldn't mind them being beaten. Just a little.

Mark! wrote:Larger issues are rarely brought up in the reporting news items in the mainstream press. The killing of a police officer may not be justified by the deep seated relationship between cops and black youth...

May not be justified? You just can't bring yourself to admit that it was wrong, is wrong, and always will be wrong. Sick.

Mark! wrote:...but it can at least explain and hopefully teach a community how to change behavior patterns so that no one else has to die.

It explains nothing. And what pattern should we change? Should Officer McEntee have not responded to a complaint about fireworks?

Mark! wrote:Why did Kevin kill the officer within 2 hours of his brother's death?

Because he is a piece of trash. Had he not been hiding (as he himself testified), his brother might be alive today. He has no one to blame but himself.

Mark! wrote:What was Kevin's relationship with police in the community?

He was well known to the police. His nickname was "rockhead". That should tell you something.

Mark! wrote:Black Bear hopes that our reading library, free literature table, message board, events and food foster critical thinking about a variety of issues. We don't expect agreement within the collective and we certainly don't expect it from people who don't work here.

In the meantime, Black Bear Bakery serves delicious breakfasts every Saturday from 9am to 1pm.

--statement from Black Bear Bakery

You still haven't explained what an anarchist is doing earning a capitalist profit.

southcitygent · PostFeb 22, 2008#222008-02-22T21:13+00:00

Great to hear you guys are so open minded. I will be stopping by on Saturday to drop off some brochures from Exodus International, Focus on the Family and The Pregnancy Resource Centers

southsidepride · PostFeb 22, 2008#232008-02-22T21:15+00:00

A few years ago I quit going to a certain barbershop because the clientele there were always talking about racial bulls**t. The owner never chimed in himself, but I just decided I didn't want to patronize a business that allowed that kind of discourse. So for the same reason I don't want to patronize a bakery that has literature and a clothing line supporting a cop killer. I don't care that it's not the official stance of Black Bear. I didn't care that the barbershop owner wasn't a racist. It's my money and I'll take it somewhere I feel comfortable.

urban_dilettante · PostFeb 22, 2008#242008-02-22T23:55+00:00

wow, such righteousness. i hope none of you spend your dollars on coke, nestle, chiquita, shell, etc. etc.

just an example (it's not like you have to look very hard to find this kind of stuff):

http://www.globalexchange.org/countries ... /3871.html

but then i'm sure none of you do because you're all ever-vigilant and don't support criminal activity with your dollars, right? here's an idea: if you don't want to go to black bear, then don't go to black bear. but save everyone the faux-indignation. it's probably hypocritical.

the central scrutinizer · PostFeb 23, 2008#252008-02-23T04:45+00:00

urban_dilettante wrote:wow, such righteousness. i hope none of you spend your dollars on coke, nestle, chiquita, shell, etc. etc.

just an example (it's not like you have to look very hard to find this kind of stuff):

http://www.globalexchange.org/countries ... /3871.html

but then i'm sure none of you do because you're all ever-vigilant and don't support criminal activity with your dollars, right? here's an idea: if you don't want to go to black bear, then don't go to black bear. but save everyone the faux-indignation. it's probably hypocritical.

Yep, I spend money with all four of the above named. Because I'm intelligent enough to know the difference between support a cop killer and being put on "trial" by a tin horn dictator!

LOL! Oh my, the gullibility!