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May 02, 2021#76

Had a half decent excuse to go take some plane pictures today. Here's the results. It's mostly pretty predictable: lots of blue and lots of hamster pouches. But there are a few oddities sprinkled through the lineup.


We'll start with the usual suspects: WN4623 from San Antonio. Typical WN power: a dash 8. (My railfan roots may be showing there.)


The dash 7s are a bit shorter and thus only require one overwing exit. This one is N750SA flying WN4522 from Salt Lake.


Here's a little Hawker 900 arriving from Palm Springs that snuck in between the bigger jets.


I was glad to see one of Delta's iconic 717s. This is N982AT on its way to ATL, of course.


N7866A is another dash 7 making smoke here on her arrival from MCO.


N266CA is one of Cape's lovely little Tecnams. The drooping nose makes them look almost spacy. KAP905 is arriving from Quincy, IL.


N212NN is flying Envoy4362 to DFW. It took me a little while to quit confusing E170s with A32s and B73s, but this shot does a nice job of demonstrating the size difference. As it happens, I rather like the E170s when I'm on them. I much prefer the 2+2 to the 3+3 on their larger twinjet kindred.


And this shows you just how large those dash 8s aren't. N8532S, departing as WN2119 to Las Vegas, is the same plane in the background of the previous photo. Unbolt the wings and I think she'd be quite cozy in the belly of Lockheed's Monster: Air Mobility Command C5 Galaxy RCH593T. (Per JetTip.net. I was never close enough to make out any markings.)


Another day, another dash 7. N734SA departs as WN2879 to ATL.


There are moments it seems like an unending sea of blue planes. This is N7743B as WN2099 from BNA.


N8675A is a dash 8 bound for Denver as WN2097.


Believe it or not, these are actually selling better. You wouldn't know it around here, but they are. N339FR is arriving from Punta Cana as F97. And that's Frontier Flight 7, not 97. I really want to scream at the convention of sandwiching all the numbers together with the IATA two letter designator when that designator has a number in it. (Which apart from the old boys network they all do.) Ah well. I don't write the rules.


Even if dash 8s were starting to get a little old it's nice to see a change of color. N851NN is arriving from DFW as AA2901.


Oh hey! It's a T-tail! . . . that everyone around here hates. Oh well. N12172 is arriving as ComutAir 4290 from the Dulles.


So many 737s. The dash 7 in the foreground is N7748A departing as WN4522 to Houston-Hobby.


Moments later N750SA rounded the corner and flew off as WN3057 to Fort Lauderdale.


Finally, this is why I was here. One of our own was arriving aboard N8707P from Phoenix. A lovely new Max 8. (I can't say dash this time. Ah well.) Still, it's a refreshing change, however subtle. Would love to know what the experience was like aboard compared to the older 73s.

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May 02, 2021#77

The thing that still freaks me out about airliners is how all that weight is supported by those two thin little wings, and the point where they attach to the plane. And yet, you really never hear about wing failure. Some damn clever engineers out there. 

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May 02, 2021#78

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The thing that still freaks me out about airliners is how all that weight is supported by those two thin little wings, and the point where they attach to the plane. And yet, you really never hear about wing failure. Some damn clever engineers out there. 
That’s one of the reasons why I was so afraid to fly. I didn’t trust those little wings to hold up the the engines and the plane.

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May 03, 2021#79

If you look inside the skin the wings start to resemble a bridge. With stuff sitting on top and suspended from the bottom. Okay, the bridge generates lift as it moves through the air. But it's still a bridge. Over EVERYTHING! (Well, until you look up. Over everything but the air.) The wing truss generally extends all the way through the center of the aircraft as I understand it. So in some sense, there's really only one wing. It just has two sides.

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The thing that still freaks me out about airliners is how all that weight is supported by those two thin little wings, and the point where they attach to the plane. And yet, you really never hear about wing failure. Some damn clever engineers out there. 
Birds aren't all that different if you think about it. One of those cases where engineers learned a lot just by looking at what worked in nature and applying it to materials science.
"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children, and the United States of America". - Otto von Bismarck

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May 03, 2021#81

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Had a half decent excuse to go take some plane pictures today. Here's the results. It's mostly pretty predictable: lots of blue and lots of hamster pouches. But there are a few oddities sprinkled through the lineup.


We'll start with the usual suspects: WN4623 from San Antonio. Typical WN power: a dash 8. (My railfan roots may be showing there.)


The dash 7s are a bit shorter and thus only require one overwing exit. This one is N750SA flying WN4522 from Salt Lake.


Here's a little Hawker 900 arriving from Palm Springs that snuck in between the bigger jets.


I was glad to see one of Delta's iconic 717s. This is N982AT on its way to ATL, of course.


N7866A is another dash 7 making smoke here on her arrival from MCO.


N266CA is one of Cape's lovely little Tecnams. The drooping nose makes them look almost spacy. KAP905 is arriving from Quincy, IL.


N212NN is flying Envoy4362 to DFW. It took me a little while to quit confusing E170s with A32s and B73s, but this shot does a nice job of demonstrating the size difference. As it happens, I rather like the E170s when I'm on them. I much prefer the 2+2 to the 3+3 on their larger twinjet kindred.


And this shows you just how large those dash 8s aren't. N8532S, departing as WN2119 to Las Vegas, is the same plane in the background of the previous photo. Unbolt the wings and I think she'd be quite cozy in the belly of Lockheed's Monster: Air Mobility Command C5 Galaxy RCH593T. (Per JetTip.net. I was never close enough to make out any markings.)


Another day, another dash 7. N734SA departs as WN2879 to ATL.


There are moments it seems like an unending sea of blue planes. This is N7743B as WN2099 from BNA.


N8675A is a dash 8 bound for Denver as WN2097.


Believe it or not, these are actually selling better. You wouldn't know it around here, but they are. N339FR is arriving from Punta Cana as F97. And that's Frontier Flight 7, not 97. I really want to scream at the convention of sandwiching all the numbers together with the IATA two letter designator when that designator has a number in it. (Which apart from the old boys network they all do.) Ah well. I don't write the rules.


Even if dash 8s were starting to get a little old it's nice to see a change of color. N851NN is arriving from DFW as AA2901.


Oh hey! It's a T-tail! . . . that everyone around here hates. Oh well. N12172 is arriving as ComutAir 4290 from the Dulles.


So many 737s. The dash 7 in the foreground is N7748A departing as WN4522 to Houston-Hobby.


Moments later N750SA rounded the corner and flew off as WN3057 to Fort Lauderdale.


Finally, this is why I was here. One of our own was arriving aboard N8707P from Phoenix. A lovely new Max 8. (I can't say dash this time. Ah well.) Still, it's a refreshing change, however subtle. Would love to know what the experience was like aboard compared to the older 73s.
It basically the same as the updated -800s interior wise on southwest. Only difference is it plays music and the mood lights can be more colors than blue.

Ride wise IMO is quieter and smoother (on ground and in air). I enjoy the MAX.

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May 04, 2021#82

^Smoother is nice. 73s always strike me as a bit bumpy. Not bad, just lively. Like a car with stiff suspension.

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So I went out to the airport the last couple of days to try and snag a rare pic of a heavy arrival during daylight hours. The 16th was a bust. Normally with flights like that I wait to make sure they're actually in the air, but Chicago is so dang close it really only takes the plane fifteen minutes longer to fly between the two cities than it takes me to drive to the airport. (Depending on traffic, of course. But when you add in parking and getting myself positioned it really gets tight.) Flightware kept showing the queen taxiing for takeoff, but . . . she never did takeoff. It was infuriating. Check phone. 45 minutes. Not enough time to go home and come back. Barely enough time to go one way. Eventually I ducked away and ate and cooled off for a bit, but . . . yeah. Nothing. Saw some neat stuff anyway, though.


Air Shuttle from DFW.


Hard to get a good pic from two miles away, but yes, the yellow planes have arrived. Lambert has some Spirit! :)


But Southwest still rules the roost. The stream of blue medium sized twinsies was unending. This one was WN5674 from John Wayne.


I'd hoped to catch a typical yellow Spirit bus, but . . . well . . . This really is a Spirit flight I swear. N633NK as NK1131 from Orlando. I suppose it is neat catching the earlier scheme. (I'll try to think of it as special paint. I'm sure I'll get plenty of bare fare yellow later.)


I'm genuinely saddened to hear that Contour is departing us. It seems like such a neat little airline. Pretty little ERJs. Interesting service concept. And a Chaefitz connection. I will miss them.


WN3702 from LAX


Endeavor 4922 from DTW.


Here's a genuinely interesting one: I'm calling her the Boeing Beech. Little Boeing owned twin Beech. Not sure what she was up to as they choose to render this one untrackable. Doesn't really look like a testbed. Could be VIP transport to remote sites, I suppose.




Kind of liked the contrast as WN752 takes off for PHX.


Gulfstream GVIIs really are incredibly elegant little aircraft. This one is visiting from Columbus.




PSA5247 from DCA


The fact that this aircraft landed at the treasured X was pure happenstance. Couldn't decide if I wanted to make a pirate joke or a target joke, so I settled on a blue joke. (Went down to the crossroads.) She's flying AA831 from Charlotte.


I'd feel dishonest if I didn't include at least a few of these dang things. This is WN4152 from Charleston.


WN4260 from Pensacola


Oh hey, there's a whole other runway over there! (Is that what all those odd noises I couldn't find were?) Envoy 4285 from Miami.


WN2037 from Philadelphia


The wolf is here from Cancun.


Cape still had a 402 on the route from Quincy. (Saw some of the new Pilatus aircraft too, but the pictures aren't fantastic.)


WN3206 from BWI. (I promise. I really am skipping a LOT of flights. I was there for four hours waiting for that silly 747 that didn't show.)

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That said, in spite of the 16th I was still lured to the airport chasing that 747 on the 17th.


The straight wings on these little Citations always surprise me. This one was up from Camarillo California.


Here's 5247 from DCA, but today JIA is doing the honors instead of PSA.


Here's another Citation. Sorry this one is a bit fuzzy. It landed 12L, so it was a good distance away and it's really not that big. That said, what makes it interesting is the owner: Carson Wealth Management of Oamaha. What the dickens are they doing down here, I wonder? The founder, Ron Carson, apparently collects and flies jets and likes to go fast. He also likes to buy undervalued companies. This strikes me as both interesting and troubling. Can't say where it came from. Also registered as untrackable. (Personally I think if you own a private jet there ought to be a law that requires you to be tracked. After all, that thing is nothing if not the very most conspicuous of consumption. If you want to be private, rent a timeshare. Or fly commercial.)

Anyway, time for the big show:

The queen is why I was there.




Really fills a runway. :) She paused briefly. Presumably picked up something. (Like say a tank farm's worth of AvGas.) And headed off to Brazil, I believe it was.

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Jun 18, 2021#85

great pics as always

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Jun 18, 2021#86

^^ SP you were there when we landed, dang I was hoping my flight made your picture list! That's what I get for flying WN, their birds are too common.

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Jun 18, 2021#87

Great that you caught the 747! I was looking for it the day it was supposed to come but forgot the next day (when it actually came...)

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^^ SP you were there when we landed, dang I was hoping my flight made your picture list! That's what I get for flying WN, their birds are too common.
Well, if I was there I probably did take pictures. What flight? Odds are good that I took pictures but cut them from the show. (There really are a lot of blue planes and I posted way too many pictures anyway.) I've got Fort Lauderdale, Phoenix, Kansas City, Long Beach, John Wayne, Las Vegas, Charleston, San Diego, Orlando, Dallas-Love, Pensacola, Sarasota, Charlotte, Panama City, Raleigh-Durham, Little Rock, Cancun, Philadelphia, Baltimore, and Jacksonville, if I'm counting correctly.

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Great that you caught the 747! I was looking for it the day it was supposed to come but forgot the next day (when it actually came...)
I almost skipped it the second day. I was tired, sunburned, and cranky. But I'm glad I went. :)

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Jun 19, 2021#90

I'm afraid it says a lot about the state of St. Louis when we get excited by the arrival of a 747. 

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Jun 19, 2021#91

^^^ I was on the SRQ flight, arrived around 3:45p on a 737-700.

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^^^ I was on the SRQ flight, arrived around 3:45p on a 737-700.
Gotcha!

With a bit of luck I believe this is the bird that carried you home: N446WN. Don't trust the time stamp on the shot. My Camera still thinks it's in Vietnam. I need to fix that. (And it's off by a good eleven minutes even beyond that.) I shot this at about 3:32. Add in a little taxi time and round and I think you're there. I'd have been out your right window, but probably pretty hard to see anyway as I was too close below the flight path. The pilot probably saw my car, at least. Maybe even me, though I was kind of trying to stay in the shade and pop out only when needed, and they probably had other things on their mind and I'm less eye-catching than a little red car. Anyway, there you go! WN5174 from Sarasota.
framer wrote:I'm afraid it says a lot about the state of St. Louis when we get excited by the arrival of a 747. 
747s are getting to be a rare breed anywhere you go. There just aren't that many airlines using them anymore. UPS, Cargolux, and Lufthansa each have about thirty. I think they're the last airlines that have more than a handful. And no domestic passenger carrier uses them anymore, so to see one the regular you have to be either a major international gateway or a major cargo hub.

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Jun 19, 2021#93

I did not know that.

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^ Yeah they’ve been being phased out for some time now…usually in favor of the 777 or the 787.

I think BA was the latest, and one of the last, to finally retire their 747 fleet. I never did have the chance to fly on one :(

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Jun 19, 2021#95

I saw a BA 747 take off when I was in Heathrow, that was 2018. Surprised to see them still around.
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Jun 19, 2021#96

^Yeah, there were still a bunch there in 2019 as well. Virgin was still flying them too. BA retired the last of theirs last year during the pandemic. Looks like Virgin did the same with their 747s and A340s both. Nothing left there but twinsies. Air France and KLM had both retired theirs even earlier, as I recall. KAL apparently has 10 748Is. Even the middle eastern airlines who enthusiastically fly A380s are only flying cargo on 74s. China Air and Singapore Airlines still have some 744s in cargo ops. Several of the heavy lift cargo lines have some, but even they mostly don't have many. Apparently even the market for used parts has completely tanked. I'm a bit shocked, but it seems as though there are finally more A380s in passenger service than 747s.

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Jun 19, 2021#97

I got to sit in the very last row of a Qantas 747 in 2012 LAX-SYD. Felt like forever waiting for the rear end to leave the ground!

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Jun 19, 2021#98

I've flown ORD-FRA several times on LH 747s. I've also flown a BA 744 BOS-LHR, the only time I flew on the upper deck. Unfortunately, they're becoming rarer and rarer

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Jun 19, 2021#99

Flew in the “Bubble” non-stop to Hawaii once. Very cool and something I’ll never forget.

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Jun 20, 2021#100

Thanks SP, you got me! I was on the left side and had a view of 747 as we taxied off 12R.

Flew the 747 multiple times while I worked for TW but only a couple of times in the upper deck, both were trips to SJU. There were 8 seats up there and you had your own lav and flight attendant. I really miss those days...

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