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PostDec 07, 2007#26

Yah, unfortunately, they're not well-publicized. The info is posted on the neighborhood website at http://www.columbussquare.org



All the more reason why we need better communication between the different parts of downtown ;)

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PostDec 07, 2007#27

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innov8ion wrote:^ I dunno about Fado posing a large risk, but I can tell you that Lucky's downtown is a concern on Sundays. Gunshots were heard last Sunday night near there. Something needs to happen before another person is killed at that location.



Partying is fine. Thug parties w/ guns, fighting and incessant honking is not acceptable in our downtown neighborhood. Shape up or ship out, Lucky's.


I actually heard those...



I was walking my dog late one night a couple of weeks ago and a bunch of guys who had just left Lucky's were crossing Tucker heading east and I glanced at them as I rounded the corner one said "How bout this Mother f*****?" to the other 5. I'm guessing I was about to get jumped, but I was 30 feet ahead and made it to my building. As I turned around in the elevator they had idled by the front door.



Not cool. I'm 28 205lbs and can handle myself if I have to. I don't want to, especially when walking my damn dog.
This is bloody serious. What time was this? I do not understand WHY there are punks who think because they are in a group they can do what they like. All it itakes is to run against an armed citizen..... but no one wins in that case either.

Why cannot people appreciate value of life?

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PostDec 07, 2007#28

jmatthewmckee wrote:Yah, unfortunately, they're not well-publicized. The info is posted on the neighborhood website at http://www.columbussquare.org



All the more reason why we need better communication between the different parts of downtown ;)
Well, you may have noticed I created forums for the closest neighborhoods to downtown here: http://dslra.org/component/option,com_f ... Itemid,47/



Thanks for the great suggestion!

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PostDec 07, 2007#29

Somebody unloaded serious Glock spray a couple of nights ago. Some estimate about 15-20 shots from different guns. You can see one bullet hole in the window.

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PostDec 07, 2007#30

I live on Wash (albeit 16th), and have had my head in the sand, cause all of this is news to me. I do not recall reading about this anywhere. Can anyone provide a story link in any major newslet?



Please note that I am not doubting the veracity of anyone's statements. Just that I am concerned that uneducated, non appreciative SOB's may again start taking over DT unless this issue is brought to local politicos attention. I will also mail the aldermen as people have done in this post.

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PostDec 07, 2007#31

^ I understand. I'm not so sure that gunshots that haven't hit anyone get published in the papers. What I do know is that the incoming President of the DSLRA was told by the developer she works for that he was woken up by gunshots (he lives at 11th and Locust.) I have also heard other independent reports as well, and I trust their integrity. I also view this location from my loft and see and hear the changes that occur on this block on Sunday nights. There is a lot of consistency here.



I don't care what music a club plays. I don't care what clothes their clientele wears. But when a business starts attracting clientele that terrorizes a neighborhood with gunshots, attempted muggings, and other nuisances -- that's where we draw the line. I have too many friends that live downtown. Many of you have friends downtown as well. Our lives and the lives of our friends and loved ones are precious. Many times, you give people and businesses a second chance. But no, not with human life.



So here's how this game will work. I ask that we all place much scrutiny on Lucky's at Tucker and Washington in the time to come. Keep in mind, the owners of Lucky's also own Dolce. Perhaps their businesses should be boycotted and protested until they start respecting the neighborhood. Something tells me these owners would not appreciate this kind of behavior around their loved ones in their neighborhood.



- Email April Ford-Griffin, 5th Ward alderwoman with your complaints: http://stlcin.missouri.org/index/contactald.cfm?Ward=5

- Contact the building owner, Tony Thompson: http://www.kwamebuildinggroup.com/contact/index.html

- Call the police for noise, visible liquor, and gunshots around this area. 314-231-1212

- Contact the Citizens Service Bureau for noise, litter, and valet parking abuse. http://stlcin.missouri.org/csb/



We can help protect our neighborhood, but only with your help. Please act.

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PostDec 07, 2007#32

THANK YOU for these links.

One of the suggestions I am going to make to the aldermen is to install a camera (that was planned to be installed on major intersections anyway) on Tucker and Wash. That might deter some of this hooliganism.

What the hell is wrong with people anyway?

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PostDec 07, 2007#33

thank jesus i was out out of town this weekend. i'm travis bickle waiting to happen. not really....not really. but what if?

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PostDec 07, 2007#34

Well I'm glad you find gunshots and potential muggings in your neighborhood to be amusing. And way to exaggerate with the glock spray bit... Nice movie though.

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PostDec 07, 2007#35

I would tell you what I feel about Lucky's, but a couple in here have already attempted to call me a racist. :roll:

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PostDec 07, 2007#36

Innov8tion, if you can see the place from your window, you could install a camera. If the city is unwilling to do what it takes (or works too slowly) do it yourself. Bust the punks. (Note, this is not a "stop b*tching" comment, I would love to put up a camera and catch some scumbags that were f-ing with my neighborhood). :twisted: get 'em.

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PostDec 07, 2007#37

The two homicides I mentioned are the blue dots on the SLMPD's Safe City Map though they aren't entirely accurate. The dot at 6th and Cole should be at Broadway. Also, if you actually locate them at the website that homicide is incorrectly listed at 900 S 4th in the summary.







Apparently the zoom feature is not working so it's difficult to get a good look at Tucker and Washington on the following map







Anyway the map's not much good without the legend and I'm not savvy enough to make that work. Just go here http://www.slmpd.org/safecity/MapMain.htm

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PostDec 10, 2007#38

I was talking with some more people about this. Two people I have spoken with said the shots occurred near 11th and Locust; about one block on the diagonal from Lucky's. It's not clear if those involved had been at Lucky's, but it's human nature to draw inferences with what's going on in an area. Especially when you can source a lot of sketchy behavior with events in your neighborhood.



There was no chaos on this block on Sunday night like there had been before, which is good.

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PostDec 11, 2007#39

innov8ion wrote:I was talking with some more people about this. Two people I have spoken with said the shots occurred near 11th and Locust; .


Innov8ion, i am not sure the night you are talking about, but the week before last (I can't remember the day) I woke up around 2:30 - 3:00 in the morning and went into my living room because I thought I heard my cats knock something over. Anyway, I was just looking out of my windows for a moment when I saw two cars speed south on 11th (the wrong way) and I heard 5-6 distinctive gun shots as they drove by. It really scared the sh*t out of me even though I was up in my place looking down at what was going on.



Nice Avatar by the way.

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PostDec 11, 2007#40

It was most likely the one and the same incident, mccaril. And yes, you have great sense of style in avatars!



Ok, I received some good news to pass on from the CID (Community Improvement District) meeting held today.



Captain Leyshock announced that Lucky's had been having a hip hop night on Sundays and that he realized that car break-ins had skyrocketed in that time period in a 4 block radius around Lucky's.



He has spoken with the Property owners, the club owner/managers and they are going to shut down on Sundays until they come up with some alternative programming. They agreed that the Hip Hop Crowd was intimidating and that they did not wish to be responsible for the behaviors that were radiating from the group.



I think we all want our downtown businesses to be successful and contribute to the neighborhood's vibrancy -- just not at the cost of safety in the neighborhood itself. So a big kudos to Lucky's for doing the right thing.

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PostDec 11, 2007#41

Since I don't spend much time downtown (that will change in january 2008), this didn't affect me as a person, but more as someone with a love affair with St. Louis. So definitely kudos to Lucky's and congrats to the DT residents and visitors! :D



=D>

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PostDec 11, 2007#42

innov8ion wrote:It was most likely the one and the same incident, mccaril. And yes, you have great sense of style in avatars!



Ok, I received some good news to pass on from the CID (Community Improvement District) meeting held today.



Captain Leyshock announced that Lucky's had been having a hip hop night on Sundays and that he realized that car break-ins had skyrocketed in that time period in a 4 block radius around Lucky's.



He has spoken with the Property owners, the club owner/managers and they are going to shut down on Sundays until they come up with some alternative programming. They agreed that the Hip Hop Crowd was intimidating and that they did not wish to be responsible for the behaviors that were radiating from the group.



I think we all want our downtown businesses to be successful and contribute to the neighborhood's vibrancy -- just not at the cost of safety in the neighborhood itself. So a big kudos to Lucky's for doing the right thing.


What about their bad valet parking habits?

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PostDec 11, 2007#43

innov8ion wrote:It was most likely the one and the same incident, mccaril. And yes, you have great sense of style in avatars!



Ok, I received some good news to pass on from the CID (Community Improvement District) meeting held today.



Captain Leyshock announced that Lucky's had been having a hip hop night on Sundays and that he realized that car break-ins had skyrocketed in that time period in a 4 block radius around Lucky's.



He has spoken with the Property owners, the club owner/managers and they are going to shut down on Sundays until they come up with some alternative programming. They agreed that the Hip Hop Crowd was intimidating and that they did not wish to be responsible for the behaviors that were radiating from the group.



I think we all want our downtown businesses to be successful and contribute to the neighborhood's vibrancy -- just not at the cost of safety in the neighborhood itself. So a big kudos to Lucky's for doing the right thing.


Now we just need to work on Friday and Saturday nights.

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PostDec 11, 2007#44

^ Like what specifically? Excess crime and/or nuisances? I think we all knew when we moved to the loft district, that it is a social atmosphere with restaurants, lounges, bars and clubs. At some point, we should be tolerant of a certain amount of nuisance. And at a higher threshold of nuisance and crime, be vigilant. Balance, ya know. What are your thoughts?


dweebe wrote:What about their bad valet parking habits?
A bit less pressing than the safety issue, perhaps. ;) If someone's near 9th and Hampton, they could request a copy of the valet permits on this block from the Director of Streets, Todd Waeltermann. It'd sure be nice if they had the capability to scan/email or fax the documents -- but that might be expecting too much. ;) In any case, we could then verify whether they're operating within proscribed parameters. It's a shame and doesn't reflect well on Lucky's that the valet company they hired is less than forthcoming about their valet permit.

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PostDec 11, 2007#45

does anyone else think this is just a 'band-aid'



that spot has a bad reputation, and a bad crowd.



They need to close their doors before someone else gets killed.



Like the other night spots in the same location with



Hip-Hop type entertainment = DEATH



it is going to lead to a innocent victim from the loft district.



I say shut them down BEFORE this happens

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PostDec 11, 2007#46

innov8ion wrote:^ Like what specifically? Excess crime and/or nuisances? I think we all knew when we moved to the loft district, that it is a social atmosphere with restaurants, lounges, bars and clubs. At some point, we should be tolerant of a certain amount of nuisance. And at a higher threshold of nuisance and crime, be vigilant. Balance, ya know. What are your thoughts?


I'm talking about the hoosiers who rev their gay little rice rockets at 2 in the am. Clientele of Lucky's Hoosierama.

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PostDec 11, 2007#47

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:I'm talking about the hoosiers who rev their gay little rice rockets at 2 in the am. Clientele of Lucky's Hoosierama.


How about a different adjective, please?

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PostDec 11, 2007#48

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The Central Scrutinizer wrote:I'm talking about the hoosiers who rev their gay little rice rockets at 2 in the am. Clientele of Lucky's Hoosierama.


How about a different adjective, please?


It's widely understood that gay = lame. Besides, a bike can't be a homosexual. As far as I know.

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PostDec 11, 2007#49

Well, I didn't even catch that. I was thinking of another adjective, but it's actually the noun in this instance. Even if we understand what you are saying doesn't mean you should

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PostDec 11, 2007#50

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:It's widely understood that gay = lame.


:lol:



MattnSTL didn't catch it because TCS is right :D

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