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symphonicpoet wrote: ^Looks like absolutely bog standard airport design these days. Perfectly fine, but nothing stands out. Which is both good and bad. In absolute terms the old terminal is more distinctive, but . . . less functional. Meh. They picked the wrong contractor. Which we already knew. Just like Chouteau's Greenway.

I respectfully disagree with you on both parts.

I like it.  Looks a lot like St. Louis Terminal 2.  I don't care for one giant terminal like Denver.  Better to have multiple smaller separate terminals -- one for each major airline at the airport.  Nobody changes planes mid-flight anymore.  So multiple smaller simple terminals are faster and easier to navigate than one giant monstrosity.  

1. Muehlebach Hotel / KC Club Project

Plans for Phase 2 were filed with the city today. This filing iis for the 13th and Wyandotte (Barney Allis Park Office Tower). The office building has doubled in size to 14 floors, 140,000 SF. IIRC, incentives for this office project were approved with the Phase 1 incentives. 

Begin Construction	Nov. 2019
Duration	23 Months
Planned Completion	Oct. 2021

4901 Main Street - Office Building - (Plaza)

Newly proposed by VanTrust.
6-story, 140,511-square-foot office building south of the Country Club Plaza in Kansas City, Missouri. The building is situated on 1.69 acres and includes a structured parking garage with 524 parking spaces (3.73 cars per 1,000 square feet). Anticipated incentives include sales tax exemption and property tax abatement. Anticipated groundbreaking is Summer 2020 and anticipated core/shell completion is Spring 2022.


50 Baltimore - Office Building - (South Plaza)
Newly proposed by VanTrust. 
3-story office building totaling 20,394 square feet. Structured parking includes 22 spaces (1.10 cars per 1,000 square feet). Anticipated incentives include sales tax exemption and property tax abatement. Anticipated groundbreaking is Summer 2020 and anticipated core/shell completion is Summer 2021.

gary kreie wrote: I like it.  Looks a lot like St. Louis Terminal 2.  I don't care for one giant terminal like Denver.  Better to have multiple smaller separate terminals -- one for each major airline at the airport.  Nobody changes planes mid-flight anymore.  So multiple smaller simple terminals are faster and easier to navigate than one giant monstrosity.  

Mind you, I'd call T2 pretty much bog standard as well. I don't mean to say there's anything functionally wrong with it, just that there's nothing that I'd expect people to remember about it. It's not Templehoff, the TWA flight center at JFK or the Marine Air Terminal at LaGuardia. Not about big or small. Just architecture. It's . . . competent. Fine. Typical. But not memorable.

All that said, it will work.

. . . even if I personally preferred at least one of the losing propositions.

. . . and some of the earlier designs of this one.

It is worth noting that Templehoff is now a park, the TWA flight center is a hotel, and the Marine Air Terminal is little more than a bus stop. So the "bog standard" comment is not about functionality. Entirely about how much something stands out. And there really aren't many airports that do stand out. Particularly airside. This wouldn't excite me, but it will work, and it will probably be an improvement for Kansas City.

. . . and I will miss the floors in the old terminal.

In June 2019, KCI saw an average of 700 Transatlantic PPDEW.

This should be One Royal way in KC it’s definitely almost identical to One Cardinal Way


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^Why pay for two designs when you can use the same one twice?

Okay, the idea that high rise structures could become "logo buildings" like a McDonald's is . . . somewhat surprising. But I suppose it's mathematically true.

It's deja vu alright. 

The only similarity I see between the two is the slanted roof. Everything else about 3 Light is different. Glass, balcony, signage, garage, angle of the building, the W shape supports. The architect, Hord Coplan Macht, does seem to do copy and paste with Cordish projects but it;s really what Cordish wants. 

sc4mayor wrote: ^ Good to see another one moving forward but...Cordish really needs a better architect.

Per a Cordish KCRagger, Cordish maybe planning on starting 4 Light before 3 Light is completed. 

KCRAG Question: It is my understanding that 4 Light will be our version of the Des Moines tower posted above. Both will be mixed use Hotel-Apartment-etc and both will be around 40 floors. What is disappointing is that theirs is being built right now while ours likely won’t break ground until 2022-2024.

Cordish Ragger: Four Light has always been the targeted project to do mixed hotel/residential. Cordish wants to capitalize on the demand for downtown high end residential while it's hot and also wanted to get it's feet wet in other markets as for the hotel operations side. Now, they can't wait to get that hotel up, but it will likely be a higher end hotel. They helped get Lowes involved with the convention center hotel project and have just opened the 2nd "Live by Lowes" concept in Dallas...

KRAG Question: Do you think we'll see 4 Light take off in the next year then or at least while 3 is under construction?

Cordish Ragger: That was the plan while I was still working for them....

^Maybe if they could spell Loews correctly, they would still be working for Cordish...

matguy70 wrote:

urbanitas wrote: ^Maybe if they could spell Loews correctly, they would still be working for Cordish...

Yeah... that sent his credibility south.  AND, why would a prior "Cordish" corporate employee "in the know" be posting on a city urban rag.  Nope, not buying it.

There have been Cordishites on KCRAG before as well other large developers,council people, and of course streetcar backers/board members.

I’ve talked to many of these sources outside of KCRAG but not him/her specifically. I will try and reach out to confirm their validity as a source.

ldai_phs wrote: There have been Cordishites on KCRAG  before as well other large developers,council people, and of course streetcar backers/board members.

I see what you did there.  

Another new 3 Light Rendering.

KC's new airport, from The Architect's Newspaper:

https://archpaper.com/2019/09/som-kansa ... -0-slide-0

1. KC Streetcar Extension to UMKC:

- 30% design package and environmental reviews have been completed, waiting on FTC approval to advance to the engineering phase
- if Federal Funding is Approved for the Project by early 2021, they expect the new line to open by 2024.

New Renderings:

New Plaza Transit Center


39th and Main Station

^I'm not crazy about the wood frame construction, but it's good to see this project well underway.  Hats off to KC for understanding great urban design.

Foundations going in at the New KCI Terminal.