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Dec 12, 2006#121

The "Castle Bulding" (corner of Boyle/Manchester) will be open from 11am-2pm this Friday to show off rental units. The Gills move tiger fast!







This is across the street. There are more intact buildings along Manchester than I realized. It seems that another one is 'uncovered' by the Gills every week.




May 27, 2007#122

A few updates (from the Restoration St. Louis website). These guys are doing some awesome work in FPSE. Nothing is a sure thing, but it's great to have someone bringing these buildings on line, keeping the historic character of the area and getting it (relatively) quickly!!







The Willow is fully restored four-family located in the heart of The Grove / Forest Park South East Neighborhood. Finished units feature central heat and air conditioning, stainless steel appliances, granite countertops, hardwood floors and individual alarm systems.









The Newstead Tower is a brick mixed (commercial / residential) accommodating one restaurant / retail space, one two-bedroom and seventeen one-bedroom apartments. Finished units feature central heat and air conditioning, stainless steel appliances, granite countertops, hardwood floors and individual alarm systems. (word is that this will be an Irish Pub)

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May 27, 2007#123

can we clone the Gills?

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May 28, 2007#124

Yes. You gotta love a few people almost singlehandedly bringing a district back like this.

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May 29, 2007#125

Could they try their hand at a district north of Delmar?



Hyde Park, upper CWE, or Fountain Park would all be good ones.

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Sep 13, 2007#126

From MayorSlay.com...


Saaman Development is proposing the $8.2 million construction of twenty-eight new residential townhomes in the Forest Park Southeast neighborhood at the corner of Chouteau and Newstead, on a portion of the property formerly occupied by the Laclede Gas storage tanks that were a highly visible landmark on I-64. The new townhomes, the first of their kind in Forest Park Southeast in many years, will provide homeownership opportunities for those who work at the Washington University/BJC Medical Center — and more customers for the new Grove restaurants springing up on Manchester thanks largely to the efforts of Amy and Amrit Gill. The developers are requesting a $1 million TIF.

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Sep 13, 2007#127

^ WOOT!



I like the fact that this area (Chouteau between Taylor and Tower Grove) is going to be developed by more than one person. 28 units is a good start - this is a big area and could help 150+ units in my estimation. If we could get quality infill off the ground that would be great!

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Sep 13, 2007#128

Saaman does really nice work - glad to have them working in FPSE.
"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not."

--Dr. Seuss, The Lorax

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Sep 13, 2007#129

I hope that this will include some retail at the corner of the intersection at the very least.
"It is important to remember that government interference always means either violent action or the threat of such action." - LvM

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Sep 13, 2007#130

Bastiat wrote:I hope that this will include some retail at the corner of the intersection at the very least.


Retail options are always good, but Taylor is a busy street through to the BJC complex, Tower Grove is well-travelled as well by people driving from the TG area to the CWE, Sarah is slated to become a more commercial strip - as it's started to become north of FPP - and Manchester obviously has quite a number of vacant buildings . . . so I say skip the retail at this corner.

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Sep 13, 2007#131

Grover wrote:
Bastiat wrote:I hope that this will include some retail at the corner of the intersection at the very least.


Retail options are always good, but Taylor is a busy street through to the BJC complex, Tower Grove is well-travelled as well by people driving from the TG area to the CWE, Sarah is slated to become a more commercial strip - as it's started to become north of FPP - and Manchester obviously has quite a number of vacant buildings . . . so I say skip the retail at this corner.


But there is already retail on the other built corners. I can understand that maybe the demand is not yet there for the retail tenant, but maybe they could build it out as a first floor residence that can be easily converted? Those buildings on Manchester are not going to be vacant for that much longer.
"It is important to remember that government interference always means either violent action or the threat of such action." - LvM

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Sep 14, 2007#132

Bastiat wrote:
Grover wrote:
Bastiat wrote:I hope that this will include some retail at the corner of the intersection at the very least.


Retail options are always good, but Taylor is a busy street through to the BJC complex, Tower Grove is well-travelled as well by people driving from the TG area to the CWE, Sarah is slated to become a more commercial strip - as it's started to become north of FPP - and Manchester obviously has quite a number of vacant buildings . . . so I say skip the retail at this corner.


But there is already retail on the other built corners. I can understand that maybe the demand is not yet there for the retail tenant, but maybe they could build it out as a first floor residence that can be easily converted? Those buildings on Manchester are not going to be vacant for that much longer.


I believe this development is slated for Newstead/Chouteau - the site of the old gasometer - and there's no retail there currently. Maybe I misunderstand?

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Sep 14, 2007#133

Grover wrote:
Bastiat wrote:
Grover wrote:

Retail options are always good, but Taylor is a busy street through to the BJC complex, Tower Grove is well-travelled as well by people driving from the TG area to the CWE, Sarah is slated to become a more commercial strip - as it's started to become north of FPP - and Manchester obviously has quite a number of vacant buildings . . . so I say skip the retail at this corner.


But there is already retail on the other built corners. I can understand that maybe the demand is not yet there for the retail tenant, but maybe they could build it out as a first floor residence that can be easily converted? Those buildings on Manchester are not going to be vacant for that much longer.


I believe this development is slated for Newstead/Chouteau - the site of the old gasometer - and there's no retail there currently. Maybe I misunderstand?


No, my mistake. The article says the intersection of Newstead/Chouteau, but I read your response about Chouteau between Taylor and Tower Grove being redeveloped by different developers and got confused.



I still hope they make the corner building look like retail with a turret, etc.
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Nov 02, 2007#134

An article from the <I>Suburban Journals</i> regarding the bill recently introduced by Alderman Roddy (backed by Dan McGuire and the Gills) to restrict the types of businesses allowed on Manchester between Kingshighway and Vandeventer:



<a href="http://suburbanjournals.stltoday.com/ar ... .txt">FPSE wants ban on over 20 types of businesses</a>

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Nov 03, 2007#135

Today's temperature in hell: a chilly 32 F.



A St. Louis neighborhood bans drive throughs and auto parts stores!

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Nov 03, 2007#136

Matt Drops The H wrote:Today's temperature in hell: a chilly 32 F.



A St. Louis neighborhood bans drive throughs and auto parts stores!


And payday loan stores! WOOT. Of course with the price of a scone at La Dolce Via I could use a loan now and then!

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Nov 03, 2007#137

Looks like they decided not to include tattoo shops. Good job Gill's.

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Nov 03, 2007#138

I wonder what the ACLU thinks of all this. I mean really, that list pretty much zeros in on the types of businesses that cater to lower-income people. I'm not opposed to the plan myself, but I do wonder how constitutional it is.

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Nov 03, 2007#139

If they can get it passed, good for them. I recently moved here from Honolulu, and before that I lived in Philadelphia, before then Boston, and i have never seen so much concern for lower income folk as I do here. I am new here and i guess i just don't get it. I just got done reading a thread about how one of the better city neighborhoods(cwe) needs and should have more lowerer income housing.

If a neighborhood can come togeather and say we want things better, good for them... Thats progress.

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Nov 03, 2007#140

^ha, welcome to STL, Robby! we are definitely peculiar when it comes to lower income folks :roll:

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Nov 03, 2007#141

I think the fact that one would find concern for the plight of the city's poor peculiar is a sad commentary on urban life in America. I don't think being exclusionary is progressive at all, it merely allows the affluent to ignore societal problems by not having to encounter them in their everyday life. That being said, I'm all for keeping out businesses like payday loans that take advantage of the already cash-strapped poor with predatory lending practices. Perhaps if we try treating everyone we encounter with a little dignity, regardless of their net worth, we might see the city improve a bit.

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Nov 03, 2007#142

Totally agreed. ^



Thanks for beating me to it.

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Nov 03, 2007#143

Robby, Welcome to St. Louis! While I would like to think that the kind people of STL are more concerned about poor people than other cities, I don't really think that is the case. If you go to forums in Boston & Philly, you will find plenty of discussion on gentrification and how it effects poor people. I don't think St. Louis has a corner on decency.

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Nov 03, 2007#144

Framer wrote:I wonder what the ACLU thinks of all this. I mean really, that list pretty much zeros in on the types of businesses that cater to lower-income people. I'm not opposed to the plan myself, but I do wonder how constitutional it is.


I believe South Grand and The Loop business areas have basically the same restrictions - and have for some time.

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Nov 03, 2007#145

While Boston and Philly both have many low income neighborhoods they also have thriving market rate neighborhoods. When i lived in the North end of Boston and Queens village of Philly there was no rooting for poor/low income housing to move in.

In my opinion St louis needs more, many more people to move into its city limits. They also need these people to bring thier money with them. If St Louis continues to cater to the poor, those people just won't move here. The fact is if you can afford to live in a place that is not next to poor/low income/subsidized housing you will. Im sure St Louis does need more low income housing but does it do any good to put it in neighborhoods like the CWE. Won't this stiffle progress?

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