urbanSTL

erina wrote:I kind of hope they leave the other one standing and operational. Making a left to go south on Khighway from there is a b****. I'm assuming making a right out of the one at fyler will be just as annoying.

Ooof! Is this sarcasm?

^^So you are telling me, that 'newer' QT right down the street, will be shuttered for a 'newest' location, a stones throw across the street? Rob Peter to pay Paul... Now the City has another vacancy on Kingshighway to fill, on the east side of KHWY. Nice........

$2.5M building permit application submitted for a gas station at 3296 S Kingshighway. A great complement to the gas station across the street. Ugh.

Is there anything residents can do to try to have the permit denied?

Idk, it's in a K. unrestricted zone. Contact the TGSNA and Ald Velazquez.

I do not know the business but at some point in time there was a feasibility discussion about this proposal  Is there enough traffic and expected increase in traffic   to support another gas station ?

I keep wondering with the transition to EVs at what point will investors and elected officials realize new gas stations are a bad investment. They're also a huge pain to redevelop because of the gas tanks. 

PeterXCV wrote: ↑

Mar 10, 2024

I keep wondering with the transition to EVs at what point will investors and elected officials realize new gas stations are a bad investment. They're also a huge pain to redevelop because of the gas tanks. 

^ Missouri set a record for most gallons of fuel sold in in the state in  2023, 2022, 2021, 2019, 2018, 2017  ....despite better fuel milage and arrival of mass adaptions of EVs 

PeterXCV wrote: ↑

Mar 10, 2024

I keep wondering with the transition to EVs at what point will investors and elected officials realize new gas stations are a bad investment. They're also a huge pain to redevelop because of the gas tanks. 

And such redevelopment will be subsidized by tax payers. Likewise the taxpayers will absorb the true environmental costs of fossil fuel consumption and auto oriented transit as well as the public health and healthcare costs of all the garbage (booze, tobacco, scratch offs, junk food etc.) these merchants peddle, all the while mistreating their employees.

STL needs to adapt a fixed number medallion system for gas stations. It's simple, every existing gas station gets a medallion to operate. If somebody wants to build a new gas station, they need to buy the medallion off of another station. Perhaps even require environmental remediation of the old site before transfer can be completed.

If medallions go unsold for certain amount of time, (say three years) they disappear.

^I would love a system like that for gas stations in the city. 

Oh, this sounds fantastic! It needs to get before the board and get voted into law stat!

I sent an email to my alder (Cara Spencer) about it, y'all should too

^^Are we e-mailing about the proposal to require gas stations to have medallions or about this particular one specifically? I'm in 3, but if you think it'd help I'll write.

PeterXCV wrote: ↑

Mar 10, 2024

I keep wondering with the transition to EVs at what point will investors and elected officials realize new gas stations are a bad investment. They're also a huge pain to redevelop because of the gas tanks. 

I will say the mammoth gas stations like Buckee's and Wally's make a ton of sense in the EV future.  Instead of stopping to refuel for 5 minutes, I'll need 30-60 minutes, an available pump, and a convenient place to eat and kill sometime. And if everyone needs that long to fill/charge up, you need ton of charging stations.  To a lesser extent QT serve more as convenience stores and bodegas than gas stations.  Once they see the demand and a tipping point, they start converting pumps to DC fast charging points.

TalkinDev wrote: ↑

Mar 15, 2024

PeterXCV wrote: ↑

Mar 10, 2024

I keep wondering with the transition to EVs at what point will investors and elected officials realize new gas stations are a bad investment. They're also a huge pain to redevelop because of the gas tanks. 

I will say the mammoth gas stations like Buckee's and Wally's make a ton of sense in the EV future.  Instead of stopping to refuel for 5 minutes, I'll need 30-60 minutes, an available pump, and a convenient place to eat and kill sometime. And if everyone needs that long to fill/charge up, you need ton of charging stations.  To a lesser extent QT serve more as convenience stores and bodegas than gas stations.  Once they see the demand and a tipping point, they start converting pumps to DC fast charging points.

"Everyone" will need that only if we assume everyone goes somewhere to charge instead of plugging in their cars overnight. Over half of households have a garage and would charge at home, also chargers can be placed at malls, restaurants, etc. a lot easier than gas tanks. It's unlikely that electric charging habits resemble gas refueling.