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Discuss new retail, dining, business, residential projects, or urban affairs in the areas of Missouri outside Metro St. Louis.
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ricke002 wrote:
STLhistoryBuff wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:39 pm
St. Louis is getting a Loews hotel with BPV phase 2
I presume he means "nice" looking, not a "nice" brand.
Yes. I mean nice looking. All that glass would look great!
From my understanding Country Club Plaza has been kind of up and down lately with a number of closures but also some openings, I guess that's just the retail scene in general, but Nordstrom relocating there from a traditional suburban mall raises some eyebrows....

http://fox4kc.com/2018/02/02/nordstrom- ... lub-plaza/

Obviously something like Nordstrom isn't going to go to The Foundry, but I wouldn't be surprised if some top names land there.
^ And now the Plaza is getting a Shake Shack.
Have heard there is going to be a Bi-State transit initiative this year or next. KC Chamber of Commerce and others are pushing the idea forward. If they can put together a coherent plan, I think they could very easily pass it with similar margins to the Better KCI campaign (75-25).

Additionally, Clay Chastain is back in KC with a Light Rail and Streetcar initiative. If I remember correctly it would divert all funds away from the bus system. It probably shouldn't and won't pass.
ldai_phs wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:50 pm
3 Light to be announced next week. Potential for 10% Condo. Building should be about 25-30 floors


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I guess this wasn't announced? And I hear they are having a tough time leasing out 2 Light, only 20-30% full?

Does KC have any towers over 25 floors either under construction or proposed?
pdm_ad wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:03 pm
I guess this wasn't announced? And I hear they are having a tough time leasing out 2 Light, only 20-30% full?

Does KC have any towers over 25 floors either under construction or proposed?
I'm finding several things close to your figure, but not over. To be frank, it feels a little arbitrary, since KC Power and Light 2 is 24 stories, but in many ways quite similar to BPV 2. And the planned Loew's convention center hotel is 280' more or less, but 23 stories. Nothing super tall, but there's nothing super tall here either. A little taller, but even the 100 is only a Tucker Blvd and a half wider than that Loew's. I don't see why we should be gloating over the width of a stroad. I am suddenly reminded of the Car Talk proposal to use the "Pinkwater" as a unit of measure for car seat width. We could measure buildings in Tuckers. In which case the 100 is 6.3 Tuckers and KC's Loew's is 4.7.

All that said, I believe the point of this thread is to talk about neat stuff in KC, not to start the Vince McMahon Cross State Rumble 5000! KCP&L is a neat project. Honest. I've been up on the roof. It's pretty cool. None of which detracts from cool projects underway elsewhere. And we don't need to feel like it does. A 7.2 Tucker project, while not in any danger of topping KC's 10 Tucker tower, will be pretty cool.

Of course, if we can put a few more stroads on diets then our buildings will look taller without having to gain an inch. It's all about the waste-lanes. Long buildings, wide sidewalks, and slender streets make for a sexy town. And maybe domes. And arches. ;-)
Hampton Inn Construction Crane is now up - 2 blocks over from Convention Center Hotel.

Convention Center Hotel's 1st Tower Crane went up this weekend(2 likely). Groundbreaking is later this week. Its the third crane in the Crossroads.

The Children's Mercy Research Tower is going full steam ahead. Tower Crane also went up this week.

Core Drillings have begun at KCI for the new terminal. Everything is on track for a Q4 2021 open.

Cordish affiliate leaked the news today that a highrise hotel project at Power and Light District should be going up in the next 12 months. I'd guess the flag is either Hyatt or W. If not Hyatt, expect Hyatt to announce something big in downtown "soon". Have heard they are very much actively trying to re-enter the KC Downtown Market.

Three Light has been stalled in City Council. Cordish Affiliate said they have all the plans ready for release, just waiting for the "right time". The stalling is due to a few councilmen wanting to revisit an early 2000's agreement tieing the city to the construction of parking lots. I doubt anything will change and the project will likely move forward soon with no changes.
ldai_phs wrote:Hampton Inn Construction Crane is now up - 2 blocks over from Convention Center Hotel.

Convention Center Hotel's 1st Tower Crane went up this weekend(2 likely). Groundbreaking is later this week. Its the third crane in the Crossroads.

The Children's Mercy Research Tower is going full steam ahead. Tower Crane also went up this week.

Core Drillings have begun at KCI for the new terminal. Everything is on track for a Q4 2021 open.

Cordish affiliate leaked the news today that a highrise hotel project at Power and Light District should be going up in the next 12 months. I'd guess the flag is either Hyatt or W. If not Hyatt, expect Hyatt to announce something big in downtown "soon". Have heard they are very much actively trying to re-enter the KC Downtown Market.

Three Light has been stalled in City Council. Cordish Affiliate said they have all the plans ready for release, just waiting for the "right time". The stalling is due to a few councilmen wanting to revisit an early 2000's agreement tieing the city to the construction of parking lots. I doubt anything will change and the project will likely move forward soon with no changes.
Many things here...
1. CRANES! It is so exciting whenever someone from KC says cranes are going up because, to me, it looks really cool seeing cranes dotted throughout a area. In this case, a majority of them are in a small area known as the Crossroads.
2. The Power and Light District is ripe for a hotel. If it were to be a Hyatt, I would expect it to be a Hyatt Andaz because of how it is a boutique and luxury hotel and could be equal to the Live! By Loews Hotel that Cordish created, in quality.
3. The new airport is VERY Much needed.
4. The Kansas City City Council needs to realize that they represent a city that is going through a Renaissance and any resistance or questioning to development agreements could make a bad impression on perspective developers who wish to develop in KC.
5. Here is the Tower Crane for the Loews Hotel from the NEST webcam.

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ldai_phs wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:17 pm
Hampton Inn Construction Crane is now up - 2 blocks over from Convention Center Hotel.

Convention Center Hotel's 1st Tower Crane went up this weekend(2 likely). Groundbreaking is later this week. Its the third crane in the Crossroads.

The Children's Mercy Research Tower is going full steam ahead. Tower Crane also went up this week.

Core Drillings have begun at KCI for the new terminal. Everything is on track for a Q4 2021 open.

Cordish affiliate leaked the news today that a highrise hotel project at Power and Light District should be going up in the next 12 months. I'd guess the flag is either Hyatt or W. If not Hyatt, expect Hyatt to announce something big in downtown "soon". Have heard they are very much actively trying to re-enter the KC Downtown Market.

Three Light has been stalled in City Council. Cordish Affiliate said they have all the plans ready for release, just waiting for the "right time". The stalling is due to a few councilmen wanting to revisit an early 2000's agreement tieing the city to the construction of parking lots. I doubt anything will change and the project will likely move forward soon with no changes.
~90 ish unit apartment building next to streetcar stop approved this week with no incentives

- Streetcar's northernly expansion is in the engineering phase. Rumors abound that Isle of Capri's new owners may be interested in funding an additional leg of the northern expansion to their property. If that were the case, large park and ride Opportunites would open up near the casino and the casino would also likely add a hotel.
- Southern Streetcar Expansion to UMKC will go to a mail-in vote. This is the last required vote.

- I have also heard that a new Condo Tower is being planned for Crown Center. It is likely the master-planned sister of San Fransisco Tower. This is in addition to all the other big projects announced or in the works there. (Three Light may go part Condo)

-CityScapes' MainStreet "Midwest Hotel" project and Opus's faultless linen projects will both start construction in the Crossroads this soon. I can see the "Midwest Hotel" project using another tower crane.

- Copaken Brook's new office building in the crossroads also started construction this month. Sadly, no cranes on this one.
- Had heard recently there was talk of a spec. office tower in the Central Loop(power and light?), it may have turned into a hotel project instead. This will be clarified in time.

- Expect more hotel announcements in the next 2 years.
Kansas City losing millineals. Hmmmm. :?

http://via.fox2now.com/lvPw4
^ the article doesn't say that... it says there was an overall outflow of educated adult population. Here's a bit more background in the KC RIsing report.

https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... -card.html

KC Rising officials said Kansas City has improved its attraction of younger educated workers but is losing older educated workers. They couldn't cite a specific reason for people leaving the metro area.

Good to see KC has such a leadership group studying key civic metrics.
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ldai_phs wrote:
Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:09 pm
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I really am let down by this tower. Weren't there rumors that this was supposed to be 'skyline-altering'? This looks cookie cutter. I also really feel unimpressed with how the "light" towers add to the KC skyline. With the exception of 2 Light, they are barely noticeable. They also are not very tall. Thankfully in STL they BPV towers are 300+ feet and will occupy a blank sightline so their noticeability will be far better than these.
Chalupas54 wrote:
Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:25 pm
ldai_phs wrote:
Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:09 pm
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I really am let down by this tower. Weren't there rumors that this was supposed to be 'skyline-altering'? This looks cookie cutter. I also really feel unimpressed with how the "light" towers add to the KC skyline. With the exception of 2 Light, they are barely noticeable. They also are not very tall. Thankfully in STL they BPV towers are 300+ feet and will occupy a blank sightline so their noticeability will be far better than these.
3 Light appears to be about 30 stories. The BPV towers are a much better-looking design IMHO. I think that 4 Light and hopefully also 6 Light will look a lot more like BPV towers.

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ldai_phs wrote:
Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:09 pm
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In regards to this, I like the design a lot. I had the opportunity to speak to a Cordish worker on this today, he says that the desire is to NOT redesign the tower and break ground as soon as the City of Kansas City approves the full plan and issues a building permit for the foundations. He stressed however that the debate presented by Councilwomen Kathryn Shields and Alissia Canady nearly derailed the project but they are happy with the concessions made.

On another note, the preliminary website for Three Light is live.

http://threelightkc.com/
St.Louis1764 wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:30 pm
Im actually excited to see the renderings of 3 light I'm just hoping it doesn't look like 1 cardinal way :lol:
It does with the slanted roof.
Actually not a bad looking building One Cardinal Way has a bit more pizazz to it however i'll gladly take this building & incorporate it into phase 3 of BPV... Its good to know that the 2 council women didnt derail this project...
KCI Update: SWA announced today that the new KCI will be built bigger than first planned. The idea is now a 39-42 Gate Terminal expandable up to 50 Gates. I believe that there are currently 27 leased gates.
Not quite.

The top four airlines announced their annual passenger numbers keep rising nationwide and are projecting growth ans space needs at KC.

SWA's KC rep said that they would be interested in more gates. Surely. SWA has not committed, nor any of the other airlines in KC have to any new gates.

It's good to do though.

The new terminal will build to accommodate 4 additional gates.
Total: 39 instead of 35 for all airlines.

Future planning over 5 years after the new terminal opening will allow another 3 gates to 42 total.

But, here is the reality and most are figuring this out.

The new single terminal was presented and fan fared for cost. Now they announce the cost has gone up and the opening date pushed off even further. The new airport may open now in 2022 if all goes well. This was a political move to get approval at the cost level they knew would sell it to the public.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/ar ... 23554.html
matguy70 wrote:Not quite.

The top four airlines announced their annual passenger numbers keep rising nationwide and are projecting growth ans space needs at KC.

SWA's KC rep said that they would be interested in more gates. Surely. SWA has not committed, nor any of the other airlines in KC have to any new gates.

It's good to do though.

The new terminal will build to accommodate 4 additional gates.
Total: 39 instead of 35 for all airlines.

Future planning over 5 years after the new terminal opening will allow another 3 gates to 42 total.

But, here is the reality and most are figuring this out.

The new single terminal was presented and fan fared for cost. Now they announce the cost has gone up and the opening date pushed off even further. The new airport may open now in 2022 if all goes well. This was a political move to get approval at the cost level they knew would sell it to the public.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/ar ... 23554.html
SWA made the announcement so that’s why I said SWA. The drive for more gates in the new terminal is being lead by SWA for mostly SWA usage. Remember that the addition of more gates is being payed for by the Airlines and is a decision made by the Airlines.

Additionally, if you look closely at some public documents from last summer 2022 has always been the planned open date. Late 2021 was just when the airport would be handed over to the aviation department. This handover has been pushed to 2022.
T-Mobile is buying Sprint. Headquarters is going to be in Seattle. Supposedly a 2nd HQ is going to be in KC but I think we have seen how that works out before. Not a great situation for them.
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Picture of a few of the cranes in the Crossroads. The 2 Blue Cranes are for the Loews Convention Center Hotel. The Red is for a Hampton Inn.


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The Perfect Way to Explore Modern Kansas City? A Streetcar, Believe It or Not

The contemporary trolley, introduced in 2016, takes visitors to an arts district, an entertainment district and a happy state of mind.
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The KCStreetcarCreditAnna Petrow for The New York Times

By Richard Rubin

July 4, 2018

In 2002, when Sylvester “Sly” James moved his law office to downtown Kansas City, Mo., he made a wager with a colleague. “I bet him I could walk across Main Street naked at 6 p.m. and nobody would see it,” he recalled. “And the proof that I was right is that no video of that has ever shown up on YouTube.” Downtown, he said, “was freakin’ desolate.”

A decade later, Chris Hernandez remembered, he saw an item on the local news about a two-car accident downtown one evening at 7. “I took it as a sign that things were turning around,” he said. “There were actually two cars there to hit each other!”

As it turns out, Mr. Hernandez was onto something: Things were, in fact, starting to turn around. Today Kansas City can be said to have actually achieved the elusive dream of scores of proud old American cities that have seen better days: It has revived its downtown, which now skews closer to “bustling” than “desolate” many nights.

Mr. Hernandez is the city’s director of communications; Mr. James is its mayor. Both can rattle off countless examples of nearly miraculous urban revitalization: thriving businesses in storefronts that stood vacant for years; gleaming new high-rise apartment blocks that are largely (some say entirely) rented out even before they’re completed; vibrant arts and culinary scenes. But you can see what is arguably the single best embodiment of the phenomenon for yourself at regular intervals as you stroll along — or even stand still on — downtown’s Main Street.

If at this point your mind absolutely must drift to 1940s musical lyrics, I recommend nudging it away from “everything’s up to date in Kansas City” and toward “clang clang clang went the trolley” (even though, technically, that one is set in St. Louis; same state, anyway).
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Pizzas at Il Lazzarone, a restaurant at the River Market West streetcar stop.CreditAnna Petrow for The New York Times

Yes: Kansas City has a trolley. And not one of those old-timey trolleys that doesn’t go much of anywhere and goes there slowly. The one in Kansas City is sleek. Modern. Has air-conditioning and Wi-Fi. It runs a real route — 2.2 miles from end to end, then back again — through the heart of downtown.

At peak times, like rush hour, one comes along every 10 minutes; off-peak, it’s more like every 12 to 18 minutes. (Every stop has digital kiosks announcing how soon the next one will be along.) It starts running at 6 a.m. and doesn’t stop until midnight on weeknights, 2 a.m. Fridays and Saturdays. (This being the Midwest, on Sundays it starts late — 7 a.m. — and shuts down early, at 11 p.m.)

Oh: And it’s free.

And not, technically, a trolley; they take great care here to remind you (cheerfully) that it’s a streetcar. That may seem like a distinction without a difference, but it reflects the way the city and its denizens view it. A trolley, in this day and age, is a self-conscious quaintness, almost an amusement-park ride; a streetcar, on the other hand — as Mr. Hernandez explained — is more of “pedestrian accelerator.”
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And, as it turns out, an attraction, too.
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The Kauffman Center for the Performing Arts.CreditAnna Petrow for The New York Times

In my experience, the whole “Midwestern nice” thing can be overstated; but not when it comes to Kansas City. Step off the KC Streetcar (as it is officially known) and look around as if you don’t know where you are going and a passer-by will stop and ask where you’re trying to get to. Sport that expression while you’re still riding it and someone sitting across the aisle from you will do the same thing. Ask them how they like the streetcar and they will tell you, sincerely and in a fair bit of detail. And they do like it. They ride it. The city — which has a population just under a half-million — projected one million riders in the streetcar’s first year; it got twice as many by day 364. A year later that figure exceeded four million.

No one would have predicted such a phenomenon as recently as the beginning of this decade. Back then, Mr. James recalled, “things were slow here. People were depressed. They didn’t believe the city could do things.”

But then Kansas City won a lottery of sorts: In the spring of 2011 — just as Mr. James was starting his first term as mayor — Google announced that it would be inaugurating its broadband internet and television service, Google Fiber, there. “That was a big boost,” Mr. James recalled. “Google was putting us on the map — we could leverage that.”

They did. The streetcar — which made its first run on May 6, 2016 — wasn’t by any means the only element of downtown’s revitalization, but it was perhaps the boldest, and certainly the most dynamic. “It’s been a tremendous catalytic thing,” Mr. James said. “It’s created much more flow—more profits for businesses downtown, more foot traffic.” In the streetcar’s first year of operation, revenue from sales taxes along its route — an area known as the Transportation Development District, or T.D.D. — rose 54 percent, as opposed to 16 percent citywide.
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Birdie’s, a boutique in the Crossroads Arts District.CreditAnna Petrow for The New York Times

If this seems like a boon for those businesses, you could say they earned it: “They decided it would be free,” the mayor explains — paid for by a special assessment on business owners and residential landlords along the T.D.D. (The construction boom in new high rises that are rented out before they’re even completed would seem to indicate that landlords are O.K. with the surtax, too.) “The funds,” Mr. James said, “are more than sufficient to cover the costs. It’s worked out very well.”

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Unlike most successful ventures, few individuals have claimed credit for Kansas City’s streetcar; most, when asked, will give you an answer like Mr. Hernandez’s: “It was a very grass-roots effort,” he said. “How to create the streetcar, where it should go. Businesses and residents were involved at every step — where to have stops, their exact placement, even what they should look like.”

The route they all devised does a good job of introducing downtown Kansas City to both tourists and locals who had never really gotten acquainted with it before — and, perhaps coincidentally, showcasing the area’s revival.

It starts and ends at the point where decades of visitors arrived at and departed from the city: Union Station, an imposing 1914 classical structure that, despite its grandeur and the fact that it once hosted more than a half million travelers a year, was actually closed for a decade and a half in the 1980s and 90s; today it’s a museum as well as a functioning rail depot, and the anchor of a neighborhood that includes the Crown Center, an indoor shopping and entertainment complex, and the National World War I Memorial and Museum.
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Farmers sell fresh meats and produce at City Market at River Market.CreditAnna Petrow for The New York Times

Heading north, it stops next at the Crossroads Arts District, a neighborhood of old warehouses and factories that have been reclaimed as live/work spaces and is now home to a lively arts scene. Then comes the Power & Light District — named for an Art Deco 1931 skyscraper that was for decades both the home of the local electric utility company and the tallest building east of the Mississippi — which is the city’s newest entertainment district; it features the Sprint Center (a sports and concert arena), Kansas City Live! (a block-square outdoor atrium surrounded by pubs and restaurants and containing a performance stage and massive Jumbotron), most of those new residential high rises and the world headquarters of H & R Block.

The next stop is Metro Center, home to government buildings, business offices, hotels, cafes and restaurants; then the Library stop, named for the city’s Central Library, which occupies a 1906 bank building that features 13-foot-high bronze doors, a roof garden with a life-size chess set, and a basement vault that has been converted to a movie theater; then the North Loop, which doesn’t have much of note yet except a neat older Western Union building and a neat newer office building known as “the flashcube” because, well, it looks like a flashcube; and finally the River Market, which includes old warehouses that have been converted to lofts, lots of restaurants and an expansive farmer’s market that has been going year-round since 1857.

There are edifices worthy of a good long look all along the route, but none more arresting than what you will spot looking out the window to your left as you shuttle from Crossroads to Power & Light: There, up on a hill, is the Moshe Safdie-designed Kauffman Center for the Performing Arts, which opened in 2011 and which, depending upon your aesthetic sensibilities, you will find either sublime or terrifying.
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The National World War I Memorial and Museum.CreditAnna Petrow for The New York Times

It contains two 1,500-plus-seat theaters, each of which, I am told, has fine acoustics; the building, which sits on more than 18 acres, is said to have been so well-designed that it can and often does host two different performances simultaneously without any aural crossover. In addition to hosting touring companies, the city’s symphony orchestra and opera and ballet companies all call it home. “We have a very strong arts scene here in Kansas City,” Jean Luzader, a volunteer at the Kauffman Center, told me. “People think we have cows running through the streets, you know, but we don’t.”

Streetcars — once almost ubiquitous, later almost extinct — are having a moment: In the past five years, lines have also started operating in Salt Lake City, Tucson, Dallas, Cincinnati and Detroit. (Two others, in Milwaukee and Oklahoma City, are scheduled to open by the end of this year.) Some have been more successful and transformative than others, but few seem to have had the impact of Kansas City’s. It’s the only one that’s free to ride, but what really makes it distinct is the palpable sense that is more than just a way of moving people around: It’s a movement — one that, judging by the crowds riding on weekends, transcends age and ethnicity.

Everyone seems to like each other, too. “When you’re on the streetcar,” Mr. Hernandez said, “you truly get a sense of community. It gets people off their phones and talking to each other again. I see it every time I’m on it. I think people who are from Kansas City are having fun talking to visitors and telling them about places they should check out.”
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The Crossroads Arts District.CreditAnna Petrow for The New York Times

Of course, many of them — locals and visitors — are there to check out the streetcar itself. Riding it around and around will strike a certain type of person as a fine — not to mention economical — way to pass a few hours. Technically, you’re supposed to get off and re-board every time it pulls into Union Station; but this being the Midwest, no one will get too terribly upset if you stay put instead. Just smile.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/07/04/t ... r-not.html
^The KC streetcar is different because it's really more like a free horizontal elevator to different downtown districts and hardly a commuter line like light rail. Will be interesting to see how the expansion changes the dynamics trying to function as both commuter and local line, could diminish effectiveness if trying to be both. Being free to ride may give it more slack in terms of rider perception. BRT lines are expanding so hopefully a true express line runs nearby streetcar in parallel. There are also now electric bus based systems that look and operate like streetcar/LRT.

BTW, 100 Bird scooters hit downtown KC yesterday and more operators coming (likely Lime). Word is Bird wants to see 300 rides/day to trigger an expansion, which appears to be easily hit already given the change on the map every minute or two. Midtown/Plaza area likely next. Will be nice that KC will have best of all options (fixed stations as well as stationless) but would be surprising if all can survive and could see station-based going away given cost but it does have advantages.
A few things have been announced recently that are quite something and all centered around Downtown KC...

1. At 1800 Walnut, a 14 floor apartment building has been proposed by Copaken Brooks. It has an interesting design and has the possibility of it being the tallest in the Crossroads. Between this, ARTerra, Loews Convention Hotel and Hampton Inn on Main, the skyline will be pulled closer to Crown Center.
STORY: https://cityscenekc.com/looking-up-in-t ... -proposed/
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2. West Bottoms Lofts is a project consisting of four historic warehouse buildings In the West Bottoms area. Three of the buildings will be converted into Lofts while the remaining building will be parking with a car elevator
STORY: https://cityscenekc.com/west-bottoms-fl ... -district/
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3. Hyatt plans to reenter the Kansas City market with a 13 floor Hyatt House proposal at 900 Broadway. The building will have density and NO parking in the structure.
STORY: https://cityscenekc.com/colorado-develo ... -broadway/
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4. Milhaus Development is planning a 250 unit plus apartment development in the East Crossroads. It will be a dense development centered onto just a few blocks.
STORY: https://cityscenekc.com/east-crossroads ... sociation/
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5. The old KC Star Building on Grand will be restored into new office space and a market/food hall. It is something unique and will drastically alter this section of the city as well as bring more visitors to the crossroads.
STORY: https://cityscenekc.com/ambitious-95m-r ... d-parking/
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Overall, pretty exciting stuff. I can't wait to see it all happen.