East St. Louis Development Proposals

Discuss new retail, dining, business and residential projects in Southwestern Illinois, including East St. Louis, Belleville, O'Fallon and Edwardsville.
In case you did not catch it. A developer is making a pitch to E St. Louis to build a tourist destination.

For what its worth-

http://www.kmov.com/video/localnews-ind ... vid=278945

"Main Street USA..." WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THAT!?!?!?!





But seriously, this would be great.

I'm surprised Disney hasn't sued, considering that's what they call their intro section (right where you walk through the gate). Or maybe it's 6 Flags? Either way - I'm confused why the journalists didn't ask the question -



How are you going to get families to come to East St. Louis - ESPECIALLY Collinsville Ave?



For those of you who think the local media never does any cheerleading, this story is all cheer, no substance. Starting at $6 mil for an envisioned $100 mil project? Sounds like Ballpark village economics.

DESTROY CARGILL!!!!!!!!



:D



Just kidding....



No, I'm serious.
Beer City wrote:
A developer is making a pitch to E St. Louis to build a tourist destination.




Now there's something that's never been proposed before... :lol:



I'd love to see something done with East St. Louis, but I don't hold out much hope for seeing anything substantial in my lifetime. If our government is going to spend hundreds of billions of dollars annually for programs that may or may not work anyway, perhaps we should give East St. Louis its own bailout and/or stimulus package. :shock:

Wow pho, you're really doing some catching up, huh?

Mainstreet USA huh? Good idea. Too bad Maplewood, Kirkwood, Webster Groves, U-City, South Grand, Euclid Avenue, Manchester Avenue, Old North St. Louis and Washington Avenue beat him too it.

As long as we're talking about the East St. Louis Riverfront, there's another group that wants to use federal "stimulous" money to build some kind of alternative energy powerplant over there. I've got nothing against the idea, except for the location. The last thing I want to see on the East STL Riverfront is a powerplant, no matter how PC it may be.

JuiceInDogtown wrote:
Wow pho, you're really doing some catching up, huh?




I am. It's been taking a while. What's great though, is actually exploring around town, forming an opinion of "I wonder what's going on here..." at a certain location... then coming to the forum and seeing other people with the same opinion on stuff. (like the cargill eyesore across the river.)

I'd like to see them eyesore E STL riverfront turn into something better. The Casino Drag Queen's hotel IMO looks terrible, they need a taller one. Covington-Newport across the river from Cincinnati is an example they should follow.
Quick thread bump... how the hell do we not have a single building on the East side of the river?! The views of downtown are AMAZING!! ESTL is so destroyed that not a single developer is willing to build anything even next to the Casino Queen?!
Crime, decay, stigma, neglect, and political rot are the top reasons.
Oh I know the reasons, it just boggles my mind that literally NOTHING is there. Hell, the Casino Queen is in need of an update.
I vaguely remember seeing a recent article that Casino Queen was experiencing a loss in visitors and revenue. I'm not sure its owners will be willing to invest much more into it. I give it 10 years before its vacant and an eyesore from the arch.
Well at some point CityArchRiver is supposed to turn towards Illinois. That seems awfully distant in the future though.
downtown2007 wrote:
Crime, decay, stigma, neglect, and political rot are the top reasons.


isn't there a fair amount of contamination in need of remediation as well?
Efforts to attract new development by improving riverfront infrastructure:


http://stlouiscnr.com/departments/assoc ... dium=email
framer wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:15 pm
Efforts to attract new development by improving riverfront infrastructure:


http://stlouiscnr.com/departments/assoc ... dium=email
It will be interesting to see how things play out with freight/barge traffic on the Upper Mississippi River and if this type of investment will pay off big for the region. You could make a strong argument that a major lock failure is just a matter of when and not if it will happen. Which begs the question, will commodities start making its way to the St Louis region via rail & truck for transfer to barge to avoid an aging lock system? or will market wait for failure and then you will have a fundamental shift with commodity movement in the upper midwest? I believe some shift in commodity movement is happening but don't have any numbers to really support such a claim

Replacing the merchant rail bridge will also strengthen the region as a freight hub. Considering the TRRA is going ahead (therefore the Class 1 railroads that own it) without a big federal grant speaks to some confidence that the region needs two rail crossings going forward.
This seems like a follow-up to the above projects:

https://www.ksdk.com/video/news/local/e ... 63-8236118

Apparently the ESTL riverfront is having a ribbon cutting today to announce $8 million in development.
The Other Side of “Broken Windows”
What if vacant property received the attention that, for decades, has been showered on petty crime?
https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-tu ... en-windows