Hard Rock Cafe closing

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KSDK - Hard Rock Cafe St. Louis is closing

https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local ... -564937571

Looks like they are looking for an alternate location in the metro area.
Off the top of my head the Loop and BPV look like they would be good landing places for a new location.

Edit: Could also see them in Grand Center, the Zoo expansion south of Forest Park, or maybe the Boulevard across from the Galleria
While Hard Rock is not the status symbol it used to be, I would still prefer that any new location be visible from the highway or in a popular district for tourism.
GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 12:23 pm
Off the top of my head the Loop and BPV look like they would be good landing places for a new location.

Edit: Could also see them in Grand Center, the Zoo expansion south of Forest Park, or maybe the Boulevard across from the Galleria
BPV was the first place I thought of when I heard this. I guess depending on what the landing turns back into maybe it also, but probably a longer shot.
Wash Ave?


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The 'on the up and up' Laclede's Landing?

Anyone heard why HR is closing? I assume with the ferris wheel and aquarium, there was not enough space for the HR. This is my theory since they are allegedly looking for another location to "reenter the market". Unfortunately, I bet they are looking in Chesterfield.
Think they would consider renovating one of the old music venues on 1st Street? It would be a nice tie in.
^That would be great. A nice boost on top of the residential. I think having HR on the Landing would be a nice option for all of the tourists leaving the Arch grounds.
I'd love to see them stay downtown. I actually wouldn't be opposed to BPV.
I think there were rumors of the former Crowne Plaza tower becoming a Hard Rock Hotel at one point, I've had this dream ever since of Hard Rock relocating to the second floor of the 220 Mansion House (the 3 story building between the South and middle towers). The space is currently occupied by hotel ballrooms and has amazing space for outdoor seating in view of the Arch on the Promenade level. Plus it could have a cool mid-century modern theme.

However as much as I'd love to see them stay downtown, they honestly would do much better further west. I'd be okay with Clayton Rd, just west of Forest Park. It still has a bit of an urban/touristy vibe to it, being so close to the Zoo.

The Foundry wouldn't take them but if they did end up there I'd laugh. People are already calling The Foundry "Union Station Pt. 2". Grand Center might have potential but it's still a bit of a rough restaurant market, Fox and Powell spikes are not the best for business.
^ I just don't see them choosing outside of downtown unless they've radically switched their traditional site selection. My bet is if they open a new location it'll be closer to the convention center/arch/ballpark.
Seems like being close to the National Blues Museum would be a logical choice.
DogtownBnR wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:41 am
Anyone heard why HR is closing? I assume with the ferris wheel and aquarium, there was not enough space for the HR. This is my theory since they are allegedly looking for another location to "reenter the market". Unfortunately, I bet they are looking in Chesterfield.
My first thought on Chesterfied is the outlet mall next to the new Top Golf that is being reinvented as an entertainment district. It makes sense if HR looking for a place to set themselves apart in the region from BPV/Downtown and or even the Loop with its own music venues/vibe.

Just not sure if enough momentum on the Landing for them to commit there but being on Wash Ave near Blues Museum/Convention Center/Arch & hotels might be enough to keep them downtown & some breathing room from BPV/Cupples District
How about reopening the Millennium Hotel as a Hard Rock Hotel, with signage visible from the Arch.


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I thought Hard Rock wasn't doing anymore non-casino hotels and that's why they closed the one on Michigan Ave in Chicago after less than a decade?
^ Gary, love that idea! Ingenious plan if they can convert that into a hotel up to their standards. They could put a massive guitar on the roof visible from Busch Stadium, Especially on TV.
I can’t see them in Chesterfield


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Union Station owner plans candy emporium to replace Hard Rock Cafe
https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... 991ce.html
I had thought about the Millennium Hotel as a possible Hard Rock hotel the other day.. I think Hard Rock should and stay downtown
St.Louis1764 wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:57 pm
I had thought about the Millennium Hotel as a possible Hard Rock hotel the other day.. I think Hard Rock should and stay downtown
Doubt it. According to their website the only non casino locations Hard Rock Hotels currently has are San Diego and Orlando. And they closed Chicago last year.
While I have no idea whether or not the idea was explored, this was a huge lost opportunity to bring in a children's themed restaurant chain. I would have voted for Rainforest Café. That would have been a perfect fit. I understand that the Hard Rock building was likely too small, but the restaurant options near Union Station are fairly limited. The candy emporium would be a nice complement to the Rainforest Café. One of the smaller Legoland locations would have been cool as well, maybe reopen an American Girl location as well.

I'm not sure what the future holds for Landry's.

Also, if the Hard Rock is mostly part of their casino/hotels, then to me, it seems unlikely that they will reenter the market here in STL.
DogtownBnR wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:45 am
While I have no idea whether or not the idea was explored, this was a huge lost opportunity to bring in a children's themed restaurant chain. I would have voted for Rainforest Café. That would have been a perfect fit. I understand that the Hard Rock building was likely too small, but the restaurant options near Union Station are fairly limited. The candy emporium would be a nice complement to the Rainforest Café. One of the smaller Legoland locations would have been cool as well, maybe reopen an American Girl location as well.

I'm not sure what the future holds for Landry's.

Also, if the Hard Rock is mostly part of their casino/hotels, then to me, it seems unlikely that they will reenter the market here in STL.
Seems to me an "ice cream and candy emporium" is not that far from a children's themed restaurant. The name hasn't been announced; perhaps it could be a branded shop or a chain, though off the top of my head I don't know what that would be.

Funny you mentioned the Rainforest Cafe and Landry's - in the P-D article they mentioned that LHM recently renewed Landry's Seafood at it's current location for another five years, but only after considering other options such as a Bubba Gump Shrimp Company and a Rainforest Cafe.

I'm sure Landry's is a fine restaurant but there's something odd about a seafood joint at an aquarium. "See the wonders of the ocean - they're amazing *and* delicious!"

The article also mentions LHM is planning "a carousel, putt-putt golf course, and a live-music arena near the current Hard Rock space.

For the record the P-D article is behind their paywall but I was able to access it in the Twitter for Android app by clicking through Brian Feldt's link here.

-RBB
DogtownBnR wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:45 am
While I have no idea whether or not the idea was explored, this was a huge lost opportunity to bring in a children's themed restaurant chain. I would have voted for Rainforest Café. That would have been a perfect fit. I understand that the Hard Rock building was likely too small, but the restaurant options near Union Station are fairly limited. The candy emporium would be a nice complement to the Rainforest Café. One of the smaller Legoland locations would have been cool as well, maybe reopen an American Girl location as well.
The other thought on a Rainforest Café is that is a part of a Hotel theme/resort with Indoor water park development at the Zoo's old Forest Park Hospital Site. Can't much more kid friendly Zoo/Forest Park next door, Science Center just down the street and if the Forest Park Forever could extend the loop trolley to other side of the park/to the zoo entrance.

Back to the Hard Rock Café, would it be a good fit for any of the new boutique hotels? or maybe part of Drury Landing tower proposal (at least its close to casino action)?
DogtownBnR wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:45 am

Also, if the Hard Rock is mostly part of their casino/hotels, then to me, it seems unlikely that they will reenter the market here in STL.
I think he was saying Hard Rock "HOTELS" are only part of Casinos. Not Hard Rock Cafes.
^I misread that. Thanks for the clarification.
Wild, uninformed speculation here based on nothing concrete: Any chance Hard Rock considers an offer to purchase and rebrand Lumière? If so, any chance Tropicana would sell?

-RBB