2 South Central (Montgomery Development)

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Re: 2 South Central (Montgomery Development)

Unread post by Presbyterian » Wed May 28, 2014 8:29 pm

roger wyoming II wrote:I hope the rumors are true that Patagonia and other upscale retail may be going into new spots in the Park Plaza...


Not rumors. I believe Free People is going into the corner at Kingshighway, Patagonia at the current Salon & Spa at the Chase location, with a third business to go in the current service garage. The salon will move upstairs.
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Unread post by moorlander » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:18 am

Plans were submitted to Clayton for conceptual review. SCB out of Chicago is the architect. http://www.scb.com/ Total job cost for the 31story, 546,000 sq. ft building is between $75 and $100 million.

The building will provide 316 apartments, street level retail, and 361 parking spaces on 9 floors. 39 additional spaces will be below grade. There will be an outdoor terrace on floor 31.

The conceptual renderings can be found here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/9es7qi2tbuit ... s.pdf?dl=0

I'll post a few pics below.
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Unread post by wabash » Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:47 pm

^Cool. Thanks Moorlander.

This looks a whole lot like a previous Solomon Cordwell Buenz project: 500 Lake Shore Drive. That project was a bit bigger, with 500 apartments and 11 stories of parking, but the massing, materials, and design in general look very similar.


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Unread post by moorlander » Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:03 pm

SCB does good work. 500 lake shore looks almost identical.

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Unread post by wabash » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:47 pm

In their current space World News occupies about 2,000 sq.ft. The proposed bank space for 2 South Central would be 2,895 sq.ft. I assume they're pretty set on having a bank as a tenant, considering they've incorporated a bank drive-thru in their site plan. Nonetheless, having a shiny new World News in an expanded space sure would be a nice hold-over from old building to new.

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Unread post by deformative » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:36 pm

I'm still not yet anti-Clayton, but damn it bums me out that they're eating downtown's lunch (in short: yes, I want Clayton to succeed, but it shouldn't be bigger than downtown, that's embarrassing for the city as a whole). Great livable amenities for people that might usually go for a house (bike parking, pet friendly) - I'd definitely strongly consider it even if I really wanted to live in the city.

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Unread post by framer » Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:33 pm

Looks good, but man, that garage needs some work!

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Unread post by newstl2020 » Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:36 pm

I really like the new rendering. With this, the Crossing, and a possible Centene tower 2, Clayton's skyline will be getting a major overhaul over the next 2 years. Now it's time for some announcements in the city.

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Unread post by jstriebel » Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:26 am

I know this isn't a politically reality, but if we could just have the more urban inner ring suburbs merge with the city (this would be separate from the overall re-joining of the county), this wouldn't even be a big deal.

Downtown Clayton could BE the new downtown without all that much consternation. Downtown St. Louis is where it is because the riverfront used to really matter for commerce, and it became the center of the region. Now Clayton is more of that, I suppose, and that's not necessarily a bad thing, it's just quite unfortunate it's not within city limits.

Not going to change, though. Not the city limits part anyways. Hopefully the part about it being the population center and about it outpacing downtown will begin to change.

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Unread post by STLEnginerd » Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:35 pm

I wonder if people in Minneapolis constantly complain about St. Paul.
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Unread post by jstriebel » Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:45 am

I think the notion of "Twin Cities" is entirely different. There probably does exist a rivalry of sorts, but I'm sure they understand it's a healthy one.

Clayton and St. Louis aren't twin cities. Maybe that's a new perspective to think about, but it's not what they are right now. And thus why the perceptions are what they are.

The success of Clayton is definitely a good thing, though, it's just a shame that the city isn't seeing the same success.

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Unread post by Redbrickcity » Sat Oct 25, 2014 1:30 am

I think the city is seeing success but but it is more scattered over a larger area Clayton also helps Western st Louis city too

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Unread post by urban_dilettante » Sat Oct 25, 2014 2:33 pm

STLEnginerd wrote:I wonder if people in Minneapolis constantly complain about St. Paul.


i would guess the other way around, if anything. Minne seems to get the lion's share of new development. but St. Paul might actually prefer it that way. my impression is that it's the more conservative, NIMBY of the two.

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Unread post by goat314 » Sat Oct 25, 2014 3:59 pm

^ the difference is revenue sharing in the Twin Cities, the poorer areas share revenue with the richest places.

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Unread post by moorlander » Fri Apr 24, 2015 8:34 am

Per today's BJ. No construction schedule has been announced. City has not heard from Montgomery since November.

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Unread post by chaifetz10 » Fri Feb 05, 2016 10:33 am

Any update on this?

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Unread post by framer » Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:00 pm

Ted Wight just posted this image on his blog. Not sure if he knows something we don't or what...

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Unread post by newstl2020 » Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:25 pm

^Looks like the same years old renderings as above. Hopefully Montgomery Bank has been doing well, but a few rate increases next year might hopefully spur this project to begin. Would love to see them finally move the HQ to the STL area.

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Re: 2 South Central (Montgomery Development)

Unread post by Chalupas54 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:10 am

I don't think this project ever officially died per say, it just hasn't moved forward yet.


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