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I was REALLY hoping we could hold out for Amazon Arena.

But Enterprise Arena is solid.
Enterprise tells the business journal that at this point that was just part of a pitch. Nothing doing yet.

https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... enter.html
Im putting my money on Enterprise Arena its a local company with deep entrenched roots in St.Louis.
jstriebel wrote:
Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:44 pm
I was REALLY hoping we could hold out for Amazon Arena.

But Enterprise Arena is solid.
Enterprise Arena is solid as you stated. Now if Enterprise could move say an IT department downtown to go with it. Maybe the family could call Koman & commit to Cupples X or heck, take over the space that VA vacated across from Scottrade itself & maybe a modest expansion of Class A office space and an indoor youth/league hockey rink & soccer field. Call it Enterprise Village.

Saving Amazon name for the MLS new west downtown stadium.


“It's likely the development group plans to build the $59.3 million facility in the Maryland Park Lake District, a 2,000-acre site near the intersection of Highways 364 and 141 that Maryland Heights officials have been looking to develop for years...

... It's the same area of land that Stan Kroenke once eyed for development. An ice rink was even proposed, and later rejected, in the area by Hat Trick Consultants, a Texas-based company that is known locally for wanting to create a replica of the old St. Louis Arena on the former Chrysler site in Fenton.”




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https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... i/10500609
^Good to see dysfunctional government take a loss for a change.
Isn't this essentially trading one part of the same floodplain for another? I find it even more ironic they want to mimic the old St. Louis Arena without the context of the built environment. At least a soccer complex is still a field.

So while I can understand some of the motivation of keeping blues practice facility already in the county staying in the County too bad it didn't result in fundamental change in location like UMSL (help get a college program going for the region), or anchor N. Hanley development near the metrolink station or maybe even as part of Westport Plaza (maybe LHM would even entertain some future under the shed open air ice rinks later on). Thinking in terms of some decent transit or future transit access that already some built environment, hotel rooms/eateries and highway access but still relatively easy for West County
dredger wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:40 pm
Isn't this essentially trading one part of the same floodplain for another? I find it even more ironic they want to mimic the old St. Louis Arena without the context of the built environment. At least a soccer complex is still a field.

So while I can understand some of the motivation of keeping blues practice facility already in the county staying in the County too bad it didn't result in fundamental change in location like UMSL (help get a college program going for the region), or anchor N. Hanley development near the metrolink station or maybe even as part of Westport Plaza (maybe LHM would even entertain some future under the shed open air ice rinks later on). Thinking in terms of some decent transit or future transit access that already some built environment, hotel rooms/eateries and highway access but still relatively easy for West County
Right?

How about Union Station? I like the idea of having a hockey hub in the city. It's also central and would grow the sport in a part of the region where it doesn't exactly have a chance to. Plus it would be a cool location.
PD aricle on Maryland Heights and Ice Foundation working out new location for Blues practice facility near Hollywood Casino. Land in negotiations and financing layed out even though price tag rises as per PD article

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... 72e61.html

Now, the Ice Foundation is in negotiations to buy land next to the Hollywood Casino and Hotel from a real estate investment trust, GLP Capital. Little has changed in the project’s design, but the new location means the project no longer needs to secure federal approval, which it did for the Creve Coeur Lake Park location.
Ruling on the Scottrade renovations are in. Green has 5 days to sign documents.
Well that's bad news for the city. I imagine they'll get some kind of TRO at least while the other court case is pending.

On a related notes, part of the phase one renovations was an overhaul to the system that produces and maintained the ice at the arena. Yet, the ice has been terrible at Scottrade Center the past few weeks.

Makes you wonder what else has been done poorly and what we'll be asked to pay to fix sooner than later.

Meanwhile, the Blues adamantly won't consider anything but the far west burbs for their practice facility development.
jstriebel wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:00 pm
Meanwhile, the Blues adamantly won't consider anything but the far west burbs for their practice facility development.
Could it be because Maryland Heights is throwing a bunch of public tax money at them? Or would you prefer the City do the same to get the practice facility development? I'm confused.
dweebe wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:27 am
jstriebel wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:00 pm
Meanwhile, the Blues adamantly won't consider anything but the far west burbs for their practice facility development.
Could it be because Maryland Heights is throwing a bunch of public tax money at them? Or would you prefer the City do the same to get the practice facility development? I'm confused.
I'd prefer the Blues were a good corporate citizen. They're asking the city to pay for upgrades they're contractually required to cover for, so I would like to see them think of a bigger partnership with the city in which they make a further commitment to the city in exchange for the money they're requesting.
The Blues do plenty for the community. I don't think we can say they aren't good citizens. As to the practice facility being in the county I am fine with it. There are complaints that there never is regional support of things here and now we have the county/Maryland Heights helping to pay for the practice facility (right or wrong) instead of the city. So it is good the county/Maryland Heights is pitching in on something instead of the city putting more into it.

In my mind this is on the BOA for approving the repairs. They could have stopped them but they didn't. Now more city money is being wasted on a lawsuit that isn't going to change anything anyways. Some of them say they didn't have all the info but that is their own fault. No one forced them to approve the repairs when they did.
jshank83 wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:42 am
The Blues do plenty for the community.
What is "plenty"? Can you quantify it? Is it worth the $60M+ (likely much more with interest) that city taxpayers will be handing them?

jshank83 wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:42 am
I don't think we can say they aren't good citizens.
I think we can say that a "good citizen" would honor their legal obligations instead of trying to hide them so that they can mislead the BOA and steal the city's general revenue.

jshank83 wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:42 am
In my mind this is on the BOA for approving the repairs. They could have stopped them but they didn't.
The BOA was incompetent, no doubt. But the Blues were treacherous. They kept the lease from the BOA and knowingly misrepresented it. I simply can't fathom how the BOA should shoulder all the blame for this. You can't have both "I don't think we can say they aren't good citizens" and "Welp, they f*cked over city taxpayers but it's just business!"
urban_dilettante wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:48 pm

The BOA was incompetent, no doubt. But the Blues were treacherous. They kept the lease from the BOA and knowingly misrepresented it. I simply can't fathom how the BOA should shoulder all the blame for this. You can't have both "I don't think we can say they aren't good citizens" and "Welp, they f*cked over city taxpayers but it's just business!"
The BOA didn't have to vote on it without the lease and shouldn't have. I don't care how misled they were they shouldn't be voting on something when they knew they didn't have all the facts. The idea that they would just vote on it without the lease in front of them is crazy to me. Just taking someone's word for it is irresponsible. But I have a negative view of the was the things are run with the BOA in most cases. It doesn't surprise me they would just vote on something without all the facts anyways.

The Blues misleading them was bad. I can't deny that. I don't personally know the wording in the lease, so I can't say how much they misled or how much each side should have to pay. That still doesn't change that the BOA screwed up and the city is now wasting more money because of what they did. They should have refused to vote until they had the lease in hand. It is a city owned building, how would the city not have a copy of the lease?
jshank83 wrote:
Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:17 pm
I don't personally know the wording in the lease...
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https://www.riverfronttimes.com/newsblo ... uit-argues

not to mention that the Blues ignored multiple requests to obtain a copy of the lease (wonder why), which was finally leaked to the BOA by a 3rd party. not exactly the behavior of a good citizen.

yep, the BOA screwed up. so did the Blues (they didn't so much screw up as intentionally screw city taxpayers) but no big whoop i guess b/c sports. GO BLUES! amiright?
I still don't know why they had to get it from the Blues. Why doesn't the city have its own copy?

I don't have a problem with people thinking The Blues should pay for all the upgrades. If there isn't more to the lease than what you posted and there hasn't been revision then they obviously should be. The Blues have made some awful money management issues of their own.

This was more just a rant about another issue the BOA screwed up because they rarely say no to anything. If people get upset then later on the BOA will blame someone else for it and never own up to it when they could have stopped it in the first place. TIFs are out of control, alderman courtesy is out of control and now this. Anything that is common sense seems like it is too difficult to get done. The one alderwoman wanted a stop sign to calm traffic near a school (and even put it up herself), but oh no that needs to go through a million hoops to get done. I don't think it is too much to ask for the BOA not to make decisions until they have all the facts on things. But now I am getting way off track from the Blues so I will end it here.
Wow. Are they really writing up leases on an old manual typewriter?
framer wrote: Wow. Are they really writing up leases on an old manual typewriter?
They've been in there since 1994. Yes. They quite probably typed it on an old (electric) typewriter. 1994 was still the days of daisy wheel and dot matrix. A daisy wheel printer would be nearly indistinguishable from a typewriter. A good electric typewriter would have been nearly a small dedicated word processor. (They had an LCD screen where you saw what you typed before it was laid on the page. You could spell check. You could edit. They were computers. That typed. Albeit only a line or two at a time.) The internet was here, but the web was not. It was early days. Fun days. Exciting days. Hopeful days.

Anyway . . . It seems odd to me that the city couldn't have dug up a copy, but the lease has been bought and sold so many times. The Kiel Partners, the Lauries, Christ only knows who all. And subleases have almost certainly been carved out of it. I expect it's a mess that lawyers could spend half a career sorting out. I wouldn't even have been entirely certain the city still owned the site, though I take it they (we) do.
The Rams left St. Louis. We couldn't even get the piddling little MLS. Now we don't like the Blues?

Where is the party going to be when the Cardinals are the only pro team St. Louis?
A couple of things to note. It's possible most of the BOA who voted in favor of the Scottrade finances don't even care what the lease says. That tends to be how things work in this city. I'm glad it finally came to light, but it seems to be a tool for the Alderman who were already opposing the financing rather than something that has changed the minds of the people who supported it on.

On that note, I'm not convinced some of the Alderman couldn't have found the lease if they wanted to. They may not have wanted that information public.

Lastly, keep in mind that the BOA has one lawyer on staff to help them out with all their needs and requests. One lawyer for 28 Alderman. It's not that big of a wonder that these things aren't dug up quickly.
dweebe wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:15 am
The Rams left St. Louis. We couldn't even get the piddling little MLS. Now we don't like the Blues?

Where is the party going to be when the Cardinals are the only pro team St. Louis?
Nobody said we don't like the Blues. I still love the Blues. I'm just not terribly pleased with them as a community citizen right now. They're far from all bad or even close to it. They do A LOT of little things in the community. But as far as big picture stuff goes, they might as well be any other corporation in this town that just plain doesn't get it.

I have similar feelings about the Cardinals right now, too, fwiw.
The Blues are supposedly planning to knock out part of the lower bowl for a bar/standing area that will be open to the concourse. If you've been to the United Center in Chicago it will be similar to what they have up on the corners of the 300/400 level.
St.Louis Blues valuation grew 45% making them the 2nd fastest franchise in the NHL when it comes to valuation. They gone from 310 Million 450 Million within the year
They are now the 17th most valuable franchise in the league.. They've come a long ways since being the least valuable team a little over a decade ago.