Pruitt-Igoe Redevelopment

Discuss construction activity, major renovations, office projects, streetscape improvements, etc. in North City -- defined by the area north of Delmar Avenue.
The P-I site is set to get a re-zoning to help ease redevelopment.

https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... ning-3.pdf

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The conceptual renderings prepared by Civitas look really good but who knows how realistic they are. However, what may come to the site is becoming a bit more clear.... the already-proposed urgent care and medical offices, office, retail and an extended-stay hotel. Apparently residential is out because of environmental concerns.
I'd give it less than 1% chance that the actual buildings look anything like this. IF it gets built, I think it'll be a strip mall or sea of parking set back from the roads. I have less faith in McKee than I do Cordish at this point.
Finally something. Not liking those setbacks.

StlToday - Developer’s vision for old Pruitt-Igoe site includes hospital and hotels
Northside Regeneration’s plans for the old Pruitt-Igoe site became public this week, including a $72 million complex of medical buildings, commercial and office space and two hotels.
http://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/dev ... s#stream/0
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To be fair, I did get a look after the meeting. @achtung1200mkt @Housing202Ltd @PresReed @SLDevelCorp

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Should put an actual street along the south side of the project. Extend O'Fallon Street from 20th to Jefferson.
Bet they build the low-rise within five years and never get to the stuff in the background. Who is the edu/medical partner on this?

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Will this project also include retail in it? Having Hotels and Hospitals seems like it would be boring for those people staying at those hotels.
Is anyone worried about style of these big developments on the north side? They are so suburban. This along with the NGA. We have a chance to rebuild the Northside and it seems we aren't going to do it the right way.
ImprovSTL wrote:Is anyone worried about style of these big developments on the north side? They are so suburban. This along with the NGA. We have a chance to rebuild the Northside and it seems we aren't going to do it the right way.
I guess developers don't want to go Urban. Maybe that's the key to bringing people back?
CarexCurator wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:34 pm
Bet they build the low-rise within five years and never get to the stuff in the background. Who is the edu/medical partner on this?

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Probably BJC.
chriss752 wrote:
CarexCurator wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:34 pm
Bet they build the low-rise within five years and never get to the stuff in the background. Who is the edu/medical partner on this?

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Probably BJC.
No, it is not BJC.

The guy's last name is Linehan. He has apparently been fired from a shock jock job for racist comments about Condoleeza Rice:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/03/22 ... -rice.html

He has taught at Logan College (chiropractic school) here in town, and owns a medical school in Puerto Rico which no longer has an online presence that I can find. This is the only info I could find on it: http://www.camarapr.org/Pres-Izq/PRH-20 ... enihan.pdf

He has apparently also taught at/been a Dean of Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine in Harlem: https://www.touro.edu/news/press-releas ... raphic.php

I'm not a medical expert, but in a city where we have so many renowned medical organizations/possible partners for this venture, this seems fishy.

this project will not be happening


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Chalupas54 wrote:
Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:27 pm
this project will not be happening
I kind of hope it doesn't...

Beyond the fact that i don't think it will ever live up to its promise. My thinking is Pruitt Igoe as it sits right now is not hurting the city at all. Its dead space yes but its a large contiguous piece of dead space. If it was a lake or a mountain it would be equally un-impactful. What hurts the city is all the distributed dead space. Blocks with half the houses demolished and half those that remain boarded up.

The jobs argument is better but i think it would be much better to tie these developments into existing blocks. Downtown West and Car Square have plenty of unbuilt parcels on which several of these building could be constructed. Why open up 50 more acres of partially built land...?
STLEnginerd wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:17 pm
Chalupas54 wrote:
Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:27 pm
this project will not be happening
I kind of hope it doesn't...

Beyond the fact that i don't think it will ever live up to its promise. My thinking is Pruitt Igoe as it sits right now is not hurting the city at all. Its dead space yes but its a large contiguous piece of dead space. If it was a lake or a mountain it would be equally un-impactful. What hurts the city is all the distributed dead space. Blocks with half the houses demolished and half those that remain boarded up.

The jobs argument is better but i think it would be much better to tie these developments into existing blocks. Downtown West and Car Square have plenty of unbuilt parcels on which several of these building could be constructed. Why open up 50 more acres of partially built land...?
I think this brings up/sums up the two philosophies to address the reality of a city with less then half the population that infrastructure & built environment once supported. The hard reality it will take a significant increase in population growth and even then decades to get back to where St. Louis city was once at. So question of the day

Admit suburban development will happen for big swaths of North City for the most part or do you push density in some areas & city/public holds large swaths of undeveloped property with minimal maintenance in others?

City already owns a large amount of property/parcels but a lot of it fragmented. STlEnginerd brings up a good argument to leave Pruitt alone as a version of urban forest when their is plenty of space to develop Downtown West & Car Sqaure that will provide easy access to the new NGIA. Why go put in a new storm water pipe, sewer, pavement when their is plenty already that needs to be replaced.
dredger wrote:
Admit suburban development will happen for big swaths of North City for the most part or do you push density in some areas & city/public holds large swaths of undeveloped property with minimal maintenance in others?
I believe that that is how North St. Louis will be redeveloped. It will look more suburban because for some people, that is what they want. But Density will be pushed in some areas of the North Side. In this case, density will probably be found closer to the Central Corridor or near the North Riverfront.
People in North City dont give a damn about urban design, when you go up there and talk to people that actually live there and not arm chair QB from south city, they just want something, anything and they want it now.
^ No, no, but I want to sit behind my laptop and b**** about design!
Is there any better renderings for the site than those above?
Heard from my dad who works in the area that they are clearing the forest on the Pruitt Igoe site. Signs also up advertising new medical center.
Yes, a good chunk of the forest has been cleared. McKee is still talking big about his little hospital and Caribbean medical school run by a chiropractor quack. I'm still not convinced it will ever happen, or that anyone will use it if it does get built. Meanwhile, all the cleared debris is being moved to the east end of the site because they have not been awarded any brownfield tax credits from the State, so they are hoping they can get an award next year and use it on everything they are moving around now. I don't know why they are bothering to do anything at this point with so much uncertainty. I think they wanted something to show that they can do things, so they decided to spend some money on the low-risk project of knocking trees down and pushing debris around.
Will the city ever step in and kick McKee to the curb? Surely there are outs in the agreements where the city can claim breach of contract at this point. Any other decent developer would have built something by now. :roll: :evil:
chaifetz10 wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:58 am
Will the city ever step in and kick McKee to the curb? Surely there are outs in the agreements where the city can claim breach of contract at this point. Any other decent developer would have built something by now. :roll: :evil:
I moved to this city 6 years ago and he is by far one of the worst things to happen to it in my time.