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Jamestown Mall

Unread post by DaronDierkes » Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:45 am

The Beacon has an article about the rebirth of the Jamestown Mall or Lindbergh Place as it will be known with its rebranding. :roll:

It's supposed to,

-have an identifiable center and neighborhood edge.

-be of walkable size, generally meaning no more than a quarter-mile or five-minute walk from the edge to the center.

-set up an integrated grid of walkable streets, to distribute traffic.

-include a mix of land uses and types of buildings.

-have special sites for civic purposes.


The part about a street grid is interesting. The site is pretty far out there. It'd be nice if it made itself Alton's counterpart across the Confluence with the Katy Trail between. Maybe a bus with extra bike racks could run between there and Alton. I assume most of the land north of the mall floods or has important wetlands that shouldn't be trodded upon. Keeping that untouched or recreational makes a lot of sense.

There's really not much up there that's identifiable as a town center for Florissant, Black Jack, or Spanish Lake. Making a little urban village to pull everything together and help them consolidate their efforts would be nice. Maybe Spanish Lake could redirect it's casino idea to something more useful and less destructive.

I always found it strange that American malls anchored retail with bigger retail. In Singapore they anchor them with bus terminals, libraries, and apartment towers.


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Unread post by Alex Ihnen » Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:44 am

DaronDierkes wrote:It's supposed to,

-have an identifiable center and neighborhood edge.

-be of walkable size, generally meaning no more than a quarter-mile or five-minute walk from the edge to the center.

-set up an integrated grid of walkable streets, to distribute traffic.

-include a mix of land uses and types of buildings.

-have special sites for civic purposes.


I don't really understand how this is going to work? You can put in some semblance of a street grid (a small one) and even add some residential units, but talk about making a walkable community or designing so that you don't have to drive as often doesn't fit what I see:

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Unread post by ttricamo » Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:00 pm

DaronDierkes wrote:There's really not much up there that's identifiable as a town center for Florissant


You must have not been up to Florissant very often when you were in the states. Old Town Florissant is a) totally walkable and b) easily identifiable as a "town center". I can't speak for Black Jack or Spanish Lake, other than the fact they have two of the best old school St. Louis Italian restaurants/pizza places ever.

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Unread post by DaronDierkes » Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:53 pm

^You're right, I haven't really been there. I know Fergusan, but all my trips to Florissant had me looking out the window at half-destroyed wilderness as we drove along. I'm sure my three or four trips up there didn't give me a balanced idea of the place.

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Unread post by threeonefour » Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:34 pm

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Looking at the aerial view, I wonder how much of the original mall will be preserved. Leveling the entire thing seems the easiest option, because obviously, the land becomes a blank canvas upon which to build. On the other hand, the remaining Macy's, JC Penney, and the Jamestown Cinema could be incorporated into a mixed-use project. Actually, so could the Dillard's (nee Stix Baer & Fuller) building on the SW edge of the mall. The store was four levels, and like many department stores built in the 1970s, it has an atrium where the escalators were, which would make it well-suited as an office building in my opinion.

So while leveling the site and starting over may be preferable and the more obvious choice, there are pieces of the puzzle here that could be made into a more comprehensive and sustainable development (assuming that a developer would choose that option and the remaining tenants would remain, of course).


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Unread post by DaronDierkes » Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:44 am

Turning Lindbergh into a main street and just having the 'grid' go a few blocks north and south would be nice. I suppose returning the rest of the land to nature would be out of the question...

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Unread post by Alex Ihnen » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:16 am

DaronDierkes wrote:I suppose returning the rest of the land to nature would be out of the question...


Right. I guess that represents failure and a step "backward". Seems like a good idea to me though.
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Unread post by justme123 » Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:17 am

Now it appears the JC Penney outlet at Jamestown Mall will close soon.

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/article_e1890328-bbf5-5ecc-bcea-21fb3ab647e4.html?mode=story

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Unread post by john w. » Sun May 29, 2011 2:11 pm

Alex Ihnen wrote:
DaronDierkes wrote:I suppose returning the rest of the land to nature would be out of the question...


Right. I guess that represents failure and a step "backward". Seems like a good idea to me though.


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Unread post by bprop » Sun May 29, 2011 6:06 pm

ttricamo wrote:
DaronDierkes wrote:There's really not much up there that's identifiable as a town center for Florissant


You must have not been up to Florissant very often when you were in the states. Old Town Florissant is a) totally walkable and b) easily identifiable as a "town center". I can't speak for Black Jack or Spanish Lake, other than the fact they have two of the best old school St. Louis Italian restaurants/pizza places ever.


I would say the area around Ponticello's was Spanish Lake's town center. It's sort of like a dusty old town. Not much to see, but lots of very old business and buildings around there.

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Unread post by hebeter » Sat Jul 09, 2011 9:52 pm

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Unread post by quincunx » Wed Jan 04, 2017 5:30 pm

Stl Public Radio - Is Jamestown Mall blighted? St. Louis County Council seeks public input

http://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/jam ... t#stream/0

StlToday - New councilwoman stalls measure to blight Jamestown Mall

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... c231f.html

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Unread post by dredger » Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:20 am

What I don't quite understand is why the dynamics that have led to at least conversion or rebuilding of Northwest Plaza and the tear down & re-use of Crestwood Mall property is not happening with Jamestown Mall. Seems like something would be happening at this site as well.. Heck, even the failed Manchester strip mall in the city being talked about on another thread believe has re-use as call center, etc. believe while the Kmart store held on

Is it North County taking a hit and not rebounding nearly as fast as rest of area? Lack of action on County's part as you see with delay in blighting where as Crestwood has been much more proactive? . Or was it Northwest Plaza having office space & proximity from Lambert it's saving grace while Crestwood school district made the property much more attractive to tear down & rebuild?

I tend to believe once property traded hands enough to the point of no value then demolition/re-use costs are minimal for non-industrial sites with a substantial foot print to develop. Jamestown Mall property seems ideal for single residential or multi unit development at some point or a mix of some scaled down retail & multiunit residential as your seeing happen with Crestwood Mall property.

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Unread post by quincunx » Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:28 am

Jamestown lasted longer than the other two.
I fear it's too far from enough people to merit redeveloping. Taking on a lot of risk here. Just demo the site.

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Unread post by KerrytheKonstructor » Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:26 pm

Drill, baby, drill. Just joshin' but Old Jamestown and Sinks isn't that far away.


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