Hadley Township Development - Richmond Heights

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moorlander wrote:
Across from Home Depot three red brick out buildings are built right up to Hanley.


The "red brick" buildings are not. They're made of steel frames and pre-cast concrete tilt-up panels with a faux-brick pattern. The exterior of the panels were painted red after they were put in place. I hope they'll at least fill the gaps between the 'bricks' with grout to make the look feel more convincing.

It is nice, at least, that they pushed the buildings up to the street.

-RBB
You are exactly right. I should have used quotes around my red brick comment. They're pretty ugly if you ask me.
STLEnginerd wrote:
So Home Depot will probably be gone soon. That store is getting a little old. When do they get their TIF to build a new one, and will it be in Rock Hill or Shrewsbury?


I doubt it. The building may be older but its in decent shape. Based on my unscientific observation Home Depot draws more business than Lowe's (probably a visibility and access thing) so I doubt they are ready to cede the market share to Menards without a fight. Most likely if they do decide they need to update to compete it seems most likely they will rebuild in place. I'd expect Lowe's to go permanently dark before Home Depot.


Like Enginerd I don't think that Home Depot is going anywhere.
-Beside the front entry, can you really tell the difference between an "old" Home Depot and a "new" Home Depot?
-Has Home Depot ever pulled a tear down and move to a new location using TIF? (Like Wal Mart) I don't ever remember one.
-I know someone who works for Home Depot Commerical which supplies large contractors and construction companies. She doesn't have lots of contact with the retail side any more (it's where she started) but claims the Brentwood HD is a top performer and that the Town & Country and Wildwood stores are the ones on the "watch" list. Like they're routing some commercial business through those stores to prop up their numbers.
-I spend lots of time in the Brentwood Home Depot and Maplewood Lowes. If I were a betting man I'd say 99 times out of a 100 the Lowes would be the one to close. They're never busy.
Gateway City wrote:
Why are these even three cities still? Wasn't there a proposal a few years ago for Clayton to absorb most or all of these? Everyone I know calls everything from the Maplewood Station all the way to Forest Park Parkway Brentwood anyway.


Just Richmond Heights and Clayton. They talked about full-out merger and just ended up with some shared agreements for the parks department.

And with Brentwood's messed up books and politics, I doubt anyone would want to join with them right now.
If they had merged was the new name suppose to be called Clayton Heights or was that some random name thrown out there? Are there any plans for Richmond heights to develop the slot of land Off Dale Ave and Hanley Rd next to their rec center?
^ I think it was to be called Hell Froze Over.
This may end up being the best area to buy hardware items. With 3 stores so close, they will have to offer something better than the other, to compete. This 'hardware row' will require each store to beat the other's price. Can you say price war!

Lowes has always been the most expense of the 3, but the Maplewood store is easier to get into and less crowded. I'm not sure how accessible the Menards will be, but it couldn't be worse than the Home Depot. I would bet Lowes goes first. They are smaller than HD and in a less visible location. Right now, they are usually less crowded than HD. I can see HD and Menards surviving and duking it out down the road.
^ My initial thought was that HD would be first to go and open up a Mixed Use opportunity. However, Like Dogtown and others have noted, location location location plays such as a huge factor in retail. I have also realized that my first choice of hardware stores when residing in Shrewsbury was always the Ace in downtown Maplewood (love the small town feel hardware stores), HD on Hanley was next and then finally Lowe's if HD didn't have it or I didn't like the choices. As far ingress and egress, really don't see any different between HD and Lowe's. Most people are coming off Hanley and they both have stoplights or controlled intersections. As Dogtown noted, HD truly does have the most visible location.

What I don't see in Maplewood's future is local leadership making any efforts to do or pushing for mixed use next to the Maplewood and or Sunnen metrolink station. The mini dealership next to Sunnen station was a big let down after Sunnen themselves floated some initial development renderings that added density, mixed use and jobs between the two metrolink stations. To top it off, the city pretty much expressed by actions or lack of that a Quicktrip was the most important thing needed at the intersection of Big Bend and Manchester instead of promoting development that would favor a walkable environment from downtown to metrolink.
dredger wrote:
What I don't see in Maplewood's future is local leadership making any efforts to do or pushing for mixed use next to the Maplewood and or Sunnen metrolink station. The mini dealership next to Sunnen station was a big let down after Sunnen themselves floated some initial development renderings that added density, mixed use and jobs between the two metrolink stations. To top it off, the city pretty much expressed by actions or lack of that a Quicktrip was the most important thing needed at the intersection of Big Bend and Manchester instead of promoting development that would favor a walkable environment from downtown to metrolink.


I know everyone here is pissed as all get out about the Maplewood Quik Trip: but to be honest given the footprint of the site the options were pretty limited there. I'm much angrier about the opposite corner with the CVS: that's the corner that should have been urban in design and what Maplewood screwed up on.

As a new Maplewood resident I'm going to be watching from here on out like a hawk. That stretch with the rarely used funeral home and the old Hardees has me concerned. And I'll do my darndest to make sure the Sunnen area is done right.

BTW: that evil Quik Trip opens tomorrow, June 5th.
I always wonder why there is almost nothing at the Sunnen Station. That car dealership should be blown up and replaced with something... useful.
DogtownBnR wrote:
This may end up being the best area to buy hardware items. With 3 stores so close, they will have to offer something better than the other, to compete. This 'hardware row' will require each store to beat the other's price. Can you say price war!


Could be. In contrast to the dysfunction of Hanley with the three competitors in three different cities vying for market share, it is kind of neat to see the Delmar Loop and Clayton Ave borders between the City and U City and Richmond Hts.... city boundaries literally cut through the Wash U Delmar Loop mixed-use and Cheshire projects and everyone will benefit.
Roger, I would give a lot of credit for Delmar Loop and the interactions with Wash U having a huge stake as property owner. I think more typical city to inner county muni action or lack of action is Shrewsbury where I believe the line goes straight through a Sav-A-Lot with a sea of surface parking literally at the corner of two major arterials and within an easy walk block of Shrewsbury metrolink station via Des Peres River Greenway. The potential is their for a good mix use project but neither Shrewsbury with same local TIF supporting big box store development in the works down the street nor the City seem to have any desire to push for any development that might benefit the other even though it will benefit themselves.
Ebsy wrote:
I always wonder why there is almost nothing at the Sunnen Station. That car dealership should be blown up and replaced with something... useful.


I would live in Maplewood if it had better urban form and there were developments near the station similar to The Boulevard, Loop Living, and North Sarah. This would have been a great place for them to have built The Art Institute before it went to frickin' SAINT CHARLES.
Hate to say it, but: What St. Charles is doing with The Streets of St. Charles is actually more "urban" than what Maplewood is doing in its downtown and around its Metro station(s). Doesn't actually inspire much confidence that this region understands urban form or TOD.
I would have liked to see something just like the Streets of St. Charles constructed at the Maplewood station with the Art Institute in it and everything. Same with Shrewsbury and pretty much all Mid-County stations.
Gateway City wrote:
Ebsy wrote:
I always wonder why there is almost nothing at the Sunnen Station. That car dealership should be blown up and replaced with something... useful.


I would live in Maplewood if it had better urban form and there were developments near the station similar to The Boulevard, Loop Living, and North Sarah. This would have been a great place for them to have built The Art Institute before it went to frickin' SAINT CHARLES.


There's a project in the works for Sunnen. I haven't seen the renderings yet to comment on details, but it's moving along.
Presbyterian wrote:
Gateway City wrote:
Ebsy wrote:
I always wonder why there is almost nothing at the Sunnen Station. That car dealership should be blown up and replaced with something... useful.


I would live in Maplewood if it had better urban form and there were developments near the station similar to The Boulevard, Loop Living, and North Sarah. This would have been a great place for them to have built The Art Institute before it went to frickin' SAINT CHARLES.


There's a project in the works for Sunnen. I haven't seen the renderings yet to comment on details, but it's moving along.


Is this a new plan? I believe we already have a rendering of what was planned. Has anything changed since this?

http://www.gatewaystreets.org/2012/tran ... nted-crap/
This one wasn't so bad...

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moorlander wrote:
This one wasn't so bad...

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I hope that's it. Seems to be a lot less surface parking crap.
Randy wrote:
Hate to say it, but: What St. Charles is doing with The Streets of St. Charles is actually more "urban" than what Maplewood is doing in its downtown and around its Metro station(s). Doesn't actually inspire much confidence that this region understands urban form or TOD.


You're comparing apples and oranges.

Streets of St. Charles (St. Charles):
-visibility of 200,000 vehicles going by on an interstate
-a casino 1/2 mile away
-city population of 65,000
-still growing outer ring suburb
-median household income $48,000
-median home value $150,000


Maplewood
-no interstate visibilty
-no casino
-city population 8,000
-landlocked inner ring suburb
-median household income $32,000
-median home value $98,000

Yes: Maplewood needs to step it's ass up in codes and TOD.

I believe a lot of the city officials are still stuck in the 90's when Maplewood was a dying, "rougher" place. Maplewood has turned the corner and they need to stop thinking that way as well as start looking forward to a more urban future.
I believe Clayco/Forum is working on plans for a four or five story residential project at Sunnen Station. Light frame residential over commercial. I haven't seen renderings or site plan, though.
moorlander wrote:
There has been a lot of change over the past few weeks.

Much of the neighborhood and buildings have been razed and debris has been removed from the site.

Across from Home Depot three red brick out buildings are built right up to Hanley. I know Chipotle will be occupy one of them. just south of those will be yet another gas station. You guessed it, yet another Quick Trip.

This stretch of Hanley is just the worst. There is no way this crap gets build like this if not for it being in three separate Muni's. Brentwood and Maplewood have their home improvement store and now Richmond Heights wants their piece.



Rothmann Mattress and Vitamin Shop will be joining the Quick Trip and Chipotle in the out buildings built to the sidewalk across from Home Depot.
^For that location, these outbuildings are far more urban that anything else. They may use fake brick, but they're better than other recent development. And I'm always happy to welcome a Chipotle.
Panda Express and Sprint signs are up
moorlander wrote:
Panda Express and Sprint signs are up


Gross. Is it at least an official Sprint store and not an "authorized retailer"?

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