Sunnen TOD? -Retail+Dealership+Sunnen Market Apartments

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Unread post by dweebe » Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:11 pm

dredger wrote:I'm still amazed how well the highlands development had gone at the old stadium site and how Sunnen has either struggled, not put together something together attractive and or simply has not been aggressive/land banking or all of the above.


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moorlander wrote:Maplewood approved this


It's getting both dealerships? I guess I misunderstood and thought Porsche was the only one going in. Oh well.
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Unread post by moorlander » Wed Jul 27, 2016 8:38 pm

Porsche building steal and concrete block is up two stories. It looks BIG

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Unread post by symphonicpoet » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:07 am

I drove by that the other day. It really is quite the surprising construction site. And that's a car dealership? Wow! (Okay, Porsche. Not quite the same as Chevy. But still . . . )

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Unread post by dredger » Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:31 am

^ I do like how they reconfigured the streets and intersections with Hanley vs the old Lacledes Road intersection. At same time, feels like it went from dense compact little neighborhood to an extension of the Sunnen business park w scattered buildings and lot of surface parking lot. Just with car dealerships instead.

Also trying to figure out if an apartment complex is really going to fit in or would be that desireable of location for someone who wants to rent. The proposed apartment complex on Manchester feels like a better fit even though you have to cross busy Hanley to get to the metrolink station.

Right now my gut feeling is keep building jobs, offices around Sunnen Station and find other infill or repurpose locations around Richmond Heights (The Boulevards Phase II) and Brentwood metrolink stations for residential. I also believe that one of the large home improvement box stores will shutter with Menards open and either Home Depot or Lowe's would be make for a good mixed use location with easy access to metrolink also.


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Unread post by dweebe » Thu Jul 28, 2016 11:01 am

dredger wrote:Also trying to figure out if an apartment complex is really going to fit in or would be that desireable of location for someone who wants to rent. The proposed apartment complex on Manchester feels like a better fit even though you have to cross busy Hanley to get to the metrolink station.


Like I pointed out earlier in this thread to the people angry over another car dealership I pointed out how unattractive this triangle is. Metrolink tracks on one side, heavily used rail tracks on another and a busy 6 lane stroad on the other.
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Unread post by dredger » Thu Jul 28, 2016 11:15 am

dweebe wrote:
dredger wrote:Also trying to figure out if an apartment complex is really going to fit in or would be that desireable of location for someone who wants to rent. The proposed apartment complex on Manchester feels like a better fit even though you have to cross busy Hanley to get to the metrolink station.


Like I pointed out earlier in this thread to the people angry over another car dealership I pointed out how unattractive this triangle is. Metrolink tracks on one side, heavily used rail tracks on another and a busy 6 lane stroad on the other.


Really come around to that point of view with the damage done but didn't really get a good feel until I had chance to be back in the area and drove past it last month. Maybe Maplewood is simply better off getting residential near its other metrolink station.

In the meantime, would like to see The Boulevards phase II break ground with more residential. It seems like a better fit with residential/mixed use/parking structure already in place with reasonable walk to Richmond Heights metrolink & shopping. Maybe, just maybe a better development can be proposed on the burger king property that was once proposed as phase III residential tower instead of the mini strip mall center proposed that followed.

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Unread post by moorlander » Mon Aug 15, 2016 2:30 pm

Great views of Clayton Skyline from here

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New interchange is open. Porsche dealer on right

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Unread post by Chalupas54 » Mon Aug 15, 2016 2:37 pm

Question, so are the Apartments not happening?

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Unread post by moorlander » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:10 pm

Chalupas54 wrote:Question, so are the Apartments not happening?



The two car dealerships (Porsche and Alfa Romeo/Maserati) front Hanley so they are easiest to see. I'll see if I can get some pics of the apartments.

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Unread post by STLrainbow » Mon Aug 15, 2016 3:16 pm

^ speaking of county projects that are easy to see, that senior residence being built by 170/40 sure is up to the highway.... I had to honk at it to get it out of my lane.

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Unread post by symphonicpoet » Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:40 pm

^STLrainbow,

You made me snort with that one. I don't recall noticing it and I was through there just the other day after I went to the airport. Was I that tired? I'll have to check again.

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Unread post by moorlander » Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:11 am

I drove through Sunnen and it doesn't appear they've started on the apartments.

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Unread post by STLrainbow » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:10 am

^^ driving westbound on 40 its pretty hard to miss.

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Unread post by traveler » Thu Sep 08, 2016 7:16 pm

Anyone know if it is a new dealer, or relocation? If there is a perceived shortage of housing, they cod rezone and add apartments along the green space and move the road along that mess of plaza across marshall road. That shopping center could use a change up...

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Unread post by rbb » Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:07 am

traveler wrote:Anyone know if it is a new dealer, or relocation? If there is a perceived shortage of housing, they cod rezone and add apartments along the green space and move the road along that mess of plaza across marshall road. That shopping center could use a change up...


http://40southnews.com/porsche-building ... omeo-next/

The dealership is a consolidation of two St. Louis Porsche dealers — Parktown Imports at 10230 Manchester Road and Plaza Porsche in Creve Coeur. Houston-based indiGO Auto Group bought them both this year, according to the St. Louis Business Journal.


indiGO currently has a little spec of a dealership on Manchester Rd next to RSI Kitchen and Baths currently; I assume that'll also be folded into this dealership: https://goo.gl/maps/ZBL3cFZWrNS2

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Unread post by moorlander » Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:46 am

The Maserati/Alfa is relocating from Watson in Creatwood.
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Unread post by Ebsy » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:37 pm

moorlander wrote:The Maserati/fiat is relocating from Watson in Creatwood.

The decline of Watson continues.

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Unread post by moorlander » Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:33 pm

Ebsy wrote:
moorlander wrote:The Maserati/fiat is relocating from Watson in Creatwood.

The decline of Watson continues.


Well I don't think the temporary showroom at The Chevy dealer was a good location.
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Unread post by symphonicpoet » Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:19 am

I don't think it's impossible for both to be true. On the other hand, I also don't know that I much care one way or the other.

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Unread post by traveler » Wed Sep 28, 2016 10:29 am

moorlander wrote:
Ebsy wrote:
moorlander wrote:The Maserati/fiat is relocating from Watson in Creatwood.

The decline of Watson continues.


Well I don't think the temporary showroom at The Chevy dealer was a good location.



Haha!

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Unread post by moorlander » Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:07 pm

The Porsche dealer has been open now since the first of the year. The Alfa Romeo dealer won't be far behind.

Here's a shot of the new apartment building going up.

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Unread post by dredger » Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:17 pm

^ thanks moorlander,

It is kinda fitting description on how Brentwood, Maplewood and Shrewsbury have embraced their four metrolink stations. An apartment building going up that is surrounded by car dealerships

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Unread post by chriss752 » Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:09 pm

Does anyone have clear and updated renderings for the Apartment Building?

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Unread post by framer » Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:53 pm

I noticed some prominent Superbowl spots for Alfa Romeo; they must looking to expand in the USA.


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