226 Lofts 5-Stories Webster Groves

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at the site of the closed Y on Lockwood - 5 stories with first floor retail 51 units -

http://www.southcountytimes.com/Article ... ation.html

It is meeting opposition -

http://www.timesnewspapers.com/Articles ... roves.html
OMG, height, students, parking, oh my!
Hope it goes through.
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BORING
I was going to say something along the lines of it being about as bland and ugly as they come. If it were anything but a cookie cutter proposal designed to last maybe twenty years at the outside I suspect it would encounter less opposition. But as it stands there's nothing there to make it worth the fight. One more junk apartment building to turn into a roach infested fire trap in ten years when the maintenance starts to slack. If there's a real need for it they can doubtless do better than that. Otherwise it just looks like another quick money grab to me. Likely a subsidized money grab. I didn't see anything in the article about a TIF. Are they requesting any special dispensations?
Hmmm...actually, I was just thinking it's not that bad looking (and I'm usually a tough critic).
Here is a slightly clearer rendering from the Official Webster Groves Document. Image
I don't see how this is Cookie cutter. No gables. Looks great.
^ Me neither. And it goes right up to the sidewalk. If this was in the City somewhere, would folks be salivating over it? (And I will preemptively say that my opinion of it goes down close to zero if it receives public assistance or tax abatement).
Looks to me like it's set back from the sidewalk ten feet or so. It doesn't look like there's any retail. It looks like four (or in this case five) story stick. I'm assuming the white material is that neo-stucco stuff that's everywhere these days. Essentially, this looks to me to be another case of the low-budget (and low quality) "developer modernism" that was discussed in another thread. It doesn't seem remotely as nice as the structure planned for for the Grand Y. Don't get me wrong. I love modernism. And the lack of gables is fine. Good even. But this looks . . . cheap and temporary. I don't think it will age well. If they're not asking for any subsidies then I have fewer complaints. But I'd love to see them actually push it up to the sidewalk line and put in some retail to put some street life across from the library.

It could certainly be worse, but it's not what I'd call inspiring. And if it were better there might be less friction.
San Luis Native wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:12 pm
NIMBY'S!!!! ATTACK!!!!

http://www.kmov.com/story/36460204/deve ... -residents

"I've lived here for 79yrs and I don't want anything to change! Now get off my yard"
moorlander wrote:
San Luis Native wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:12 pm
NIMBY'S!!!! ATTACK!!!!

http://www.kmov.com/story/36460204/deve ... -residents

"I've lived here for 79yrs and I don't want anything to change! Now get off my yard"
Webster Groves Residents should be happy. It will help grow their population.
San Luis Native wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:12 pm
NIMBY'S!!!! ATTACK!!!!

http://www.kmov.com/story/36460204/deve ... -residents
There were no survivors.
chriss752 wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:44 pm
Webster Groves Residents should be happy. It will help grow their population.
That's not a priority for some folks.

Akin to when people worry that a proposed public improvement that might raise their property values.
Ebsy wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:30 pm
San Luis Native wrote:
Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:12 pm
NIMBY'S!!!! ATTACK!!!!

http://www.kmov.com/story/36460204/deve ... -residents
There were no survivors.
NIMBY law of apartments: As t -> ∞ apts -> section 8 and thus apocalypse
Good, relevant tweet:

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chriss752 wrote:
Sat Aug 26, 2017 12:53 pm
Here is a slightly clearer rendering from the Official Webster Groves Document. Image
I support development in WG, as my kids go to school in the Webster Groves School District, and it's important to me that we grow our tax base. However, five stories for this site is too tall given the surrounding neighborhood. If they drop it to three stories, similar to a condo development a couple of blocks to the east on Lockwood, they'll have a better chance of getting this project approved.
Yard signs have started to appear in Webster Groves in regards to this. They say "NO Lofts on Lockwood!" NIMBYs are out in full force even if they do not live near the proposed site.