The District at Crestwood- Crestwood Plaza Redevelopment

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During the UrbanStreet open house when they were first revealing their plans, I asked about why they wouldn't do something similar to the Boulevard given that Crestwood doesn't have a walkable, downtown area like Webster and Kirkwood. The UrbanStreet rep said that the Boulevard was having trouble finding tenants and they weren't getting the rates they originally forecasted. I didn't have any reason to doubt him but it bothered me be because it still seemed like the right kind of development for Crestwood. Hopefully Walpert proves me right.
To me the no brainer would be to turn the whole site into residential and leave retail out of the equation. 63126 is always listed as one of the most desirable zip codes to live in. But alas the reliance on sales taxes overrides the need for practical development.
^The current TIF has a stipulation about the development containing a certain amount of retail space before it provides any benefit to the owners.
StlToday - New plan for old Crestwood Plaza site: native prairie grass

https://m.stltoday.com/business/local/n ... fc6cf.html
^ That story is from August 6. Significantly more hope since the possible Walpert sales was announced.
Walpert meeting with commercial brokers this week - The concept sounds promising

https://www.kmov.com/news/new-life-set- ... 7ee61.html
^And this after (re)reading about "Downtown Chesterfield." They should just buy NextSTL's proposal and run with it.
New renderings released:

https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... 24411.html

As a Crestwood resident, I hope that this gets built. It will be interesting to see what tenants they can sign.

Jeff
Renderings for those who don't want to open the STLToday article.

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Thank goodness it has shiny sidewalks.

But no kids with balloons? What kind of rendering doesn't include kids with balloons?

Edit: ok, I missed it, and in the very picture I quoted.

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* Would it be fair to call it sister or brother to Richmond Heights "The Boulevards" development without access to metrolink?

Interesting to see if this proposal gets push back from Crestwood residents who associates apartments, multi tenant developments with Section 8 housing or if the retail component and rendered eateries put in a different classification.
I like the plan but think that a hotel should be included here. Nothing too fancy. A Holiday Inn would be nice rather than two restaurant outlots. Plus there's a lot of parking here, 1640 spaces. A majority of those may never be used so a hotel would help fill some of the parking spots. Other than that, design is great and I can't wait to see it start.
chriss752 wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:29 pm
I like the plan but think that a hotel should be included here. Nothing too fancy. A Holiday Inn would be nice rather than two restaurant outlots. Plus there's a lot of parking here, 1640 spaces. A majority of those may never be used so a hotel would help fill some of the parking spots. Other than that, design is great and I can't wait to see it start.
Why do you think a hotel should be included?
^Way back when there had been a proposal to demolish the 80s addition and convert either or both the Famous and the Stix into apartments. This reminds me very much of that. Anyway, I hope it flies.
stlien wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:18 pm
chriss752 wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:29 pm
I like the plan but think that a hotel should be included here. Nothing too fancy. A Holiday Inn would be nice rather than two restaurant outlots. Plus there's a lot of parking here, 1640 spaces. A majority of those may never be used so a hotel would help fill some of the parking spots. Other than that, design is great and I can't wait to see it start.
Why do you think a hotel should be included?
Because hotels at the Streets of St. Charles are working well and this stretch of Watson has no hotels on it till you get ay Down by Elm or Lindbergh. If this is to become the new "City Center" a hotel needs to be included in the mix. Plus, it will do well for the businesses that will eventually fill the development as you'll have a constantly changing crowd to keep things running smoothly on the business end of it. The same applies to things nearby. On top of all of this, I personally think that if Crestwood City Center is built as envisioned, other nearby sites will be developed with more of design similar to what is presented here. But that's just my opinion and idea.
^ I think the main reason you won't see a hotel is that it is not within view of the interstate like Streets of St. Charles is. It kind of depends what kind of offices they put into this development. If it is something that draws in travelers from out of town (e.g. a corporate training facility), then a hotel might make sense. Given what is in that area now, I don't see a hotel doing particularly well.
Yep, say what you will about St. Charles being an exburb, but there are attractions there that would merit a hotel - you have the Casino, the Family Arena, a Convention Center, even downtown St. Charles itself. Plus, as Black02AltimaSE mentioned it's a straight shot down I-70 to downtown STL.

Crestwood plaza is not highway adjacent (though it's not too far from I-44), and there's no *there* there - aside from this development, there's not really a reason for there to be a hotel in the middle of Crestwood.

-RBB
I always wonder how those small motels on Watson stay in business; Route 66 enthusiasts?
framer wrote: I always wonder how those small motels on Watson stay in business; Route 66 enthusiasts?
Well, half of them didn't and the half that did are barely clinging to life. I think one of the remaining ones does at least some transitional housing from the looks of it; semi-long term rental sorts of stuff. One looks pretty okay, and I think they're supposedly doing some route 66 business. But there's clearly not as many as there once were. There were probably a half dozen when I was a kid. Maybe more. Now there's three. And none of them have their old neon. It's a shadow of what it was.
framer, are you talking about the ones just east of Laclede Station like the Chippewa and the Wayside Motels? I think those are basically various levels of low income housing at this point. I'm not sure any of them stay afloat operating as traditional motels.
So here are the old Route 66 Motels, from east to west:

Coral Court Mot... err, never mind that's a subdivision now.

Wayside Motel, 7800 Watson Rd. This is still a hotel, though I'm nearly positive they also do some transitional/halfway housing here.

Chippewa Motel, 7880 Watson Rd. I believe this one is only transitional housing at this point, though I'm not 100% certain.

Duplex Motel, 7898 Watson Rd. Still a motel, or at least was until late last year anyway.

La Casa Grande, 8208 Watson Rd. Monthly rentals (and kinda pricey for what you get, IMO) only.

But that's getting waay off-topic. The closest real hotel along this stretch is the Route 66 Holiday Inn at Watson and Lindbergh, but again there you're right off the highway.

-RBB
Black02AltimaSE wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:58 pm
^ I think the main reason you won't see a hotel is that it is not within view of the interstate like Streets of St. Charles is. It kind of depends what kind of offices they put into this development. If it is something that draws in travelers from out of town (e.g. a corporate training facility), then a hotel might make sense. Given what is in that area now, I don't see a hotel doing particularly well.
I see where you are coming from. Interstate visibility is far better for a hotel than anything. The Days Inn on Lindbergh has Helen Fitzgerald's. Holiday Inn is close to 270 and 44, the same for the Hampton Inn and Best Western, but this location is about three minutes more than those locations AND you would have things to walk to from your hotel room within the overall Crestwood City Center development. In my opinion, a hotel would do well here but I'm not in that business clearly. I think the office building will not have a job training thing so that makes my idea slightly unstable. However, a hotel could work here without a major office as you are relatively close to the highways and you'll have entertainment and all that great stuff at your doorstep. I think visitors would be inclined to stay at a hotel here rather than down by Lindbergh as "things to do nearby" could be a factor and based on what Walpert wants to do, a hotel could work here. Finally, I think this development will spur other developments nearby to make this stretch of Watson desirable. What that will be is unknown but I just don't see that failing strip mall, across Watson, staying around for long without a redevelopment to make it valuable again.

In the end, I want this development to be a little more dense. If anything, if not a hotel, then build another (but small) residential building on Retail Parcel B (see site plan). That would bookend the Western side of "City Center Drive" and really make the experience on the street look neat. It would be interesting instead of having a, for example, Red Robin there. You have all these nice buildings and BOOM, Red Robin. Not good (although their food is good).

More apartments for more people or a hotel for a constantly changing crowd. Walpert has ideas and has done his homework, but that's all I don't like about this project. Besides that, great!

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