Crime Thread

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Ebsy wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:23 pm
I believe the City ended up at 187 homicides for 2018 after a particularly bloody December. While that is down from 2017, it is only a single homicide below 2015 and 2016 iirc. Hopefully in the new year we can see more improvement, but it seems whenever the police get a handle on violence in one neighborhood it just moves to another in North City. Despite population losses on the north side, more and more people are there each year.
Will have to await final neighborhood stats but I believe North City homicide was down this year but up elsewhere... perhaps it's due in part to crime migration outside targeted enforcement areas but it's really hard to say. I believe Chief Hayden said they'd be targeting Gravois Park/Dutchtown/TGS area around Grand & Gravois.
I'm still very interested in the number of shootings compared to homicides. I read a report out of Chicago that the drop in their homicides was due in large part to advancements in treating gunshot victims. While that is great, it might not clearly show that crime is falling.
ImprovSTL wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:04 am
I'm still very interested in the number of shootings compared to homicides. I read a report out of Chicago that the drop in their homicides was due in large part to advancements in treating gunshot victims. While that is great, it might not clearly show that crime is falling.
Same here in St Louis: I remember reading an article either at STL Mag or the Post Dispatch a while ago where they were interviewing one of the directors or chief surgeons of the Children's Hospital on the often contested decisions to treat adults in the ER. Apparently, shooting victims are occasionally dropped in the ER for Children's Hospital regardless of the age. The hospital can then decide to treat them or not, and it typically does decide to take them on (instead of sending them to a nearby hospital such as BJC). The director said that treating adults, especially shooting victims, has greatly improved their know how of how to handle this type of cases for children who were shot (something that happens much more often in St Louis than in other places). He argues that treating shooting victims + knowledge acquired in the Iraq War has been a great driver of the fall in homicide victims in the last 20 years or so.
An analysis of murders in 55 of America’s largest cities revealed block by block where police fail to catch killers.
FROM THE WASHINGTON POST INVESTIGATIVE TEAM
Murder with
Impunity

Jan. 7, 2019

In the last year, The Washington Post has gathered data on almost 55,000 murders over the past decade in 55 of America’s largest cities. The analysis goes beyond what is known nationally about the unsolved cases, revealing block by block where police fail to catch killers.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... afa2236446
The frustrating part about that article is STL's arrest rate has gone down every year since 2011
Citing Downtown crime, some state workers in the Wainwright Building are trying to get their office transferred to Clayton. (sucks that the Post felt the need to print this article on the front page yesterday)

https://www.stltoday.com/news/state-age ... 4c9c1.html
^Sounds like the governor already rejected the request.
Request was rejected...even the office itself backed off the crime thing in the end, citing the traditional suburban bullsh*t...not enough parking, too far from home, blah blah blah.

The only two things I'll add is that they are only one block from the Mark Twain hotel. If I'm not mistaken I think there were several shootings downtown last year related to that property and some of it's tenants. That doesn't help the perception. As far as the parking problem, I'm just going to leave this image here...remember, we're talking about a total of 7 (seven!) people.

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Sorry if I missed a discussion on this.

What are the "TCF" ("The City's Finest") police cars that have been driving all around downtown for the past few months? I see them constantly running especially along Washington and Market. Is this some outfit that's contracted by the downtown business association? Do they respond to calls? Just patrol? I haven't seen an officer get out of the car, but I swear I've seen them drive by dozens if not hundreds of times.
Maybe crime would be lower if the police weren't getting together at each other's homes on duty and killing each other.
Shoot Someone In a Major U.S. City, and Odds Are You’ll Get Away With It
https://www.thetrace.org/features/murde ... shootings/
22 murders already.

We will be the per capita kings once more
BellaVilla wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:54 pm
22 murders already.

We will be the per capita kings once more
Usually when Winter is this bad murders decline, so there is probably something provoking the violence. Gang turf wars on the North Side maybe?
Idk but nearly half of that total comes from dutchtown, Bevo, Gravois, Marine, and Mt Pleasant
January of 2018 had 27 murders, which was down from the 30 of 2017.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... 258f1.html

The decrease to 22 doesn't warrant a parade, but at least it did go down.
We have an aldermanic election in the 8th ward this year. The primary criterion I plan on using to see who gets my vote is what their plans are to address crime. Both candidates in my ward have the standard talking points about addressing the root causes, which is certainly something that should be done. However, I'm currently just as interested in what they (and the city) plan to do to reduce the number of carjackings and robberies in the neighborhood over the next 3-6 months, not 3-6 years. Do others ask these questions of their alderpeople? What responses have you received?
robbie wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:01 pm
We have an aldermanic election in the 8th ward this year. The primary criterion I plan on using to see who gets my vote is what their plans are to address crime. Both candidates in my ward have the standard talking points about addressing the root causes, which is certainly something that should be done. However, I'm currently just as interested in what they (and the city) plan to do to reduce the number of carjackings and robberies in the neighborhood over the next 3-6 months, not 3-6 years. Do others ask these questions of their alderpeople? What responses have you received?
As a fellow Shaw resident, I would like to clarify something. Our leaders (Police, Political, and Community) have been tremendously effective at reducing crime in the last 10 years. Shaw is objectively much safe now than it was 10 or even 5 years ago. Violent crime has been more than cut in half and crime overall is down by almost 2/3.

Any crime is bad and I hope we continue to reduce crime - but let's be clear that our politicians with the help of the police and community are already reducing crime significantly in our neighborhood. They deserve a lot of thanks for that.

Eventually I would like to do more of a project around these numbers and stats, but I have done some rough beginnings of the project for shaw. See this link below for how much crime has improved in Shaw.

https://imgur.com/a/uzqDvwP?

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It'd be great to post that on nextstl when you're ready. Would you like to?
Will be interesting to see carjacking comparisons now that we're into the second year of SLMPD specifically breaking out that offense as part of its robbery stats. For January 2019, there were 26 reported carjackings compared to 29 for January 2018.
If the daily homicide report is correct, homicides dropped by 50% (10 to 5) in February. Let's hope that keeps up!
How Oakland Has Seen a Big Drop in Crime—Without More Police
https://thebolditalic.com/how-oakland-h ... 0eede56b5b
hebeters2 wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:58 pm
How Oakland Has Seen a Big Drop in Crime—Without More Police
https://thebolditalic.com/how-oakland-h ... 0eede56b5b
Rich people come in, displace poor people, crime falls, no changes in policing needed
https://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/ ... d=20312733

Worked in NYC and DC, seems to be the obvious force at work in Oakland
gregl wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:11 am
If the daily homicide report is correct, homicides dropped by 50% (10 to 5) in February. Let's hope that keeps up!
Looks like it was 6 in February from the official numbers. Sadly, it looks like March is on track to be a lot more violent with the nicer weather.
Ebsy wrote:
Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:18 pm
gregl wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:11 am
If the daily homicide report is correct, homicides dropped by 50% (10 to 5) in February. Let's hope that keeps up!
Looks like it was 6 in February from the official numbers. Sadly, it looks like March is on track to be a lot more violent with the nicer weather.
Not sure I'm too worried. As of 3/7, March has 1 homicide. March 2018 had 12.
Noteworthy, its pretty rare for KC to surpass STL in homicides this far into a year. Usually STL has pulled ahead and will stay ahead for the remaining part of the year. It has been an unfortunate March in KC, leading to 30 homicides (7%+ increase over last year, 67% increase over 2015/2016) as of last night. STL is at 27 homicides (25% decrease over last year).

STL: https://www.slmpd.org/images/Homicide_S ... ebsite.pdf
KC: http://kcmo.gov/police/wp-content/uploa ... -03-18.pdf