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^ I tend to agree, but it is exciting to see prices like this - assuming they sell. This would represent a market not current served in the city. From my point of view as a home owner - those prices/sq. ft are NUTS! There are some amazing homes for quite a bit less than that . . .

Urban Elitist wrote:

MattnSTL wrote:I doubt this would take anything from the Arcade/Wright. ^600 Washington is what took that focus.

Exactally. Pyramid has two different divisions, The "Downtown" division and the "Everywhere else" division. The each run separately from the other. One division is very competent and forward thinking, and the other division builds sprawltasic crap...I'll let you figure out which is which.

I don't know, UE. I think King Louis Square is crap, maybe not sprawltastic crap, but crap nonetheless. And that's pretty much downtown. I liked the projects better.

The view on 12th where the projects were and King Louis Square is now, has, IMO, the most stunning views of downtown (only from the east side is a better view of DT). What a wonderful place for a few highrises! I find it really odd that this view wasn't taken advantage of. Perhaps if developers and those powers that be look around a little and think more about such things as cityscapes & etc., maybe we might have something there better than KLS. But hey, this is St. Louis...it would never dawn on them to consider such a thing.

these things are ugly. they're barely better than the ones off of twelfth street. i'd rather them wait awhile for something better to come along than build these things because we'll have to look at them for the forty years which would be much worse than looking at that school building and lot for another two or three.

whats ugly? They haven;t even started them yet - are you talking about the renderings?

the renderings look pretty good looking to me...

I agree. I thought the renderings were fantastic. My obly concern revolved around whetrher they would actually get built. ....



speakign of .... if we created a virtual "sim city" of all the projects proposed for STL but not yet started - we wold have a metropolis larger than Chicago. Whats going on .... is it just me or have we hit a lull.....

If they commit to making this development look like it does in the renderings, I would be just fine with that. If they go with the traditional orange brick, cheap white vinyl windows, crappy siding and other Pyramid trademarks, I'll be concerned. Fortunately, I think that the Lafayette Square standards require high-quality building materials that will give the project a more authentic look.

speakign of Lafayette Square - did anyone notice the building proposed for the vacant lot (well its a side yard) next to the new dual townhouse on Park. Its gorgeous - according to the picture - with a limestone facade. And it fits perfectly ----



I noticed it while running .... suprised noone here has brought it up ....



there are also a bunch of new buildings goign up in Soulard that have not been mentioned here .... perhaps I should start a thread for each ...

markofucity wrote:speakign of Lafayette Square - did anyone notice the building proposed for the vacant lot (well its a side yard) next to the new dual townhouse on Park. Its gorgeous - according to the picture - with a limestone facade. And it fits perfectly ----



I noticed it while running .... suprised noone here has brought it up ....



there are also a bunch of new buildings goign up in Soulard that have not been mentioned here .... perhaps I should start a thread for each ...

That's a good idea.



Where is the building on Park?

^Yes!!

DeBaliviere wrote:If they commit to making this development look like it does in the renderings, I would be just fine with that. If they go with the traditional orange brick, cheap white vinyl windows, crappy siding and other Pyramid trademarks, I'll be concerned. Fortunately, I think that the Lafayette Square standards require high-quality building materials that will give the project a more authentic look.

I share your concerns...and your optimism. Pyramid doesn't exactly have the best track record in development outside of downtown, but I think the strict standards for new development in LS will ensure that this will be a quality development.

DeBaliviere wrote:

markofucity wrote:speakign of Lafayette Square - did anyone notice the building proposed for the vacant lot (well its a side yard) next to the new dual townhouse on Park. Its gorgeous - according to the picture - with a limestone facade. And it fits perfectly ----



I noticed it while running .... suprised noone here has brought it up ....



there are also a bunch of new buildings goign up in Soulard that have not been mentioned here .... perhaps I should start a thread for each ...

That's a good idea.



Where is the building on Park?

The new building (site) is just a few doors West of Mississippi, right next to a recently completed (two years?) infill job. Looks like a two unit building. The sign says prices are in the "mid $600's".

Is this dead in the water?



No change for two years.

Based on the amount of advertising I've been seeing, I think this project is still very much alive.

Clearing of the land for the in-fill on Park just W of Arcelia's has begun...as far as Charleton SQ, they are still advertising - prices starting in the $290s!

Rumors that I've heard about this project:



They've spent $40,000 on advertising and have generated 17 calls. Ouch.



A few weeks ago they almost had 3 pre-sales signed. Almost.

Don't know what came of these.



They are trying to get financing to build some of the units. However, that rumor makes no sense because they'd have to spend a lot in demolition and then build the thing partially (?)





I doubt that this project will fly.

When those sharpies from Clayton, Conrad Properties passed on this deal some years ago, that told me it is going to be tough to make that piece of ground work.



I don't know what price it is being passed around for but I presume it is way too high by now.



It should probably be repriced to support something like the new townhomes on Vail Place. It would blend much better with the existing homes on Carrol and wouldn't require all the underground parking perhaps.



But come to think of it the Vail Place houses aren't selling now either.

Are there any sales at this development? Is project moving forward?

Shocked wrote:Are there any sales at this development? Is project moving forward?

Well, their web site doesn't show any as sold.



http://www.charlestonsquarestlouis.com/pricing.php



The existing building, a tear-down, is quickly deteriorating.

I think this project is on the back burner for a while. Has been for a while, as well.

I think ultimately that piece of ground must just be priced too high. It seems all the proposals are for fairly high density in an otherwise lower density street. Or perhaps the developers are reaching a little too far. Maybe just a series of attached townhomes similar to Vail Pl would get the job done.

Plus, the site's kinda tucked away and hidden. That can't help marketing.

There is a great three house row on Dolman across from this development that could be really great if someone wanted to take it on. At $85k per house for nothing more than a broken shell, though, it's way overpriced. Even for LS. I imagine that activity on Charleston Square would help this project, too.



Pictures here: http://stlouis.craigslist.org/rfs/503912499.html (I have no affiliation with the seller, agent or the property)