Demolition of Carr Sschool

tge-atw · PostOct 21, 2009#12009-10-21T15:47+00:00

The agenda for Monday's Preservation Board Agenda has come out, and in addition to initial proceedings for demolition of National Register Listed buildings in Soulard, Hyde Park, and Columbia Brewery districts, Carr School, an individually listed amazing Ittner school located at 1419 Carr just north of downtown, will be considered for condemnation for demolition. The City of St. Louis Department of Public Safety is the applicant. The meeting takes place at 1015 Locust on the 12th floor, October 26, 4:00. Testimony will be considered (theoretically) in the decision-making process. The meeting is open to anyone who wants to speak.

http://stlouis.missouri.org/citygov/pla ... T26_09.pdf

images hotlinked from the web site of Landmarks Association of St. Louis

southcitygent · PostOct 21, 2009#22009-10-21T16:07+00:00

Tragic

ecoabsence · PostOct 21, 2009#32009-10-21T16:26+00:00

I want to point out that condemnation for demolition is a typical Building Division act when a property racks up enough code violations. Each request has to go through preservation review, and almost every time the Preservation Board or Cultural Resources denies the request. The request does not mean there is a demolition permit. Carr School is not in immediate danger, nor should it be. I know that the Carr Square group has plans to rehabilitate this building in the near future.

tge-atw · PostOct 21, 2009#42009-10-21T18:06+00:00

Who invited the smart guy?

threeonefour · PostOct 21, 2009#52009-10-21T21:28+00:00

ecoabsence wrote:I want to point out that condemnation for demolition is a typical Building Division act when a property racks up enough code violations. Each request has to go through preservation review, and almost every time the Preservation Board or Cultural Resources denies the request. The request does not mean there is a demolition permit. Carr School is not in immediate danger, nor should it be. I know that the Carr Square group has plans to rehabilitate this building in the near future.

I don't trust the Preservation Board at all, so any glimmer of hope to save an architectural treasure like this is encouraging. Thanks for the info.

framer · PostOct 22, 2009#62009-10-22T04:34+00:00

ThreeOneFour wrote:I don't trust the Preservation Board at all

Nope. Not after the San Luis fiasco.

stlcardsblues1989 · PostNov 28, 2009#72009-11-28T06:34+00:00

If it is (worst case scenario) eventually demolished, would/could the brickwork and some of the neat details of the building be saved and used again? It wouldn't be the same, but, if the building is eventually demolished, it would be some consolation.

PostJan 25, 2010#82010-01-25T20:48+00:00

Any update on this?

jcity · PostFeb 17, 2010#92010-02-17T06:14+00:00

I wish I had Bill Gates' money. I'd rehab this building in a second. I have seen NOTHING like it in any other city I've been too. How cool is it that it was designed with the kindergarten in the middle, with the outer "arms" of the building protecting its youngest ones. wow I sound a little emotional, but come on, how cool is that. Do we see thought or design like that in ANY new school designed today? No wonder we produce such dolts in our education system today.

Alex Ihnen · PostFeb 17, 2010#102010-02-17T16:21+00:00

^ It's true that the buildings themselves used to be part of the education. It's very cool. I long for the day that architects are recognized for their talents and for how their work and ideas are an integral part of learning, commerce, culture and meaning.

DaronDierkes · PostApr 20, 2010#112010-04-20T00:03+00:00

Does anyone have any thoughts on what would be an appropriate use for this building and how to build out the rest of the block? When I've played the, "If I had money like Bill Gates..." game before, and I've always been a little puzzled about what kind of buildings would be nice to see behind it on the same block.

thechariot · PostMar 08, 2012#122012-03-08T22:49+00:00

I used to frequent this building, for shoots and whatnot. I wish they could at least secure it, there is so much shady activity that takes place in this building. Things you dont want to hear about, from drug use to rapes, and all other sorts of crime. This place is a madhouse, so now you have to worry about collapsing floors AND getting stabbed. This is one of the most terrifying places ive ever been, i would MUCH rather visit a "haunted" place than this place. its in a terrible neighborhood, and every time they take the steps to secure it/board it up. its immediately torn open.

doug · PostMar 09, 2012#132012-03-09T21:48+00:00

^Will McKee be taking action on the building anytime soon?

rbb · PostMar 24, 2015#142015-03-24T16:46+00:00

michaelrallen
4 days ago
Honored to be working with a powerful team on a challenging, worthy project (adapting the long-vacant Carr School into something serving the present age).

So why hasn't this gotten more attention? Anyone have the dirt on what it's going to be? Is Michael Allen working with Paul McKee?

-RBB

goat314 · PostMar 24, 2015#152015-03-24T19:27+00:00

^ my guess is that Northside Regeneration has teamed up with Urban Strategies and McCormick Baron to secure the Choice Neighborhoods grant, that was recently announced. Considering the TIF is already in place, I would guess that we will see some cool rehabs but mostly demolition of the old housing projects and implementation of new urban scaled, mixed income housing. One thing I like about Choice neighborhoods, it is not simply doubling down on the failed concentrated poverty route. I'd imagine we will see something similar to North Sarah, which wouldn't make me mad on the near Northside.

Presbyterian · PostMar 25, 2015#162015-03-25T16:59+00:00

Food science incubator.

roger wyoming II · PostMar 25, 2015#172015-03-25T18:24+00:00

^ Do you have an expected timeline on this?

goat314 wrote:^ my guess is that Northside Regeneration has teamed up with Urban Strategies and McCormick Baron to secure the Choice Neighborhoods grant, that was recently announced. Considering the TIF is already in place, I would guess that we will see some cool rehabs but mostly demolition of the old housing projects and implementation of new urban scaled, mixed income housing. One thing I like about Choice neighborhoods, it is not simply doubling down on the failed concentrated poverty route. I'd imagine we will see something similar to North Sarah, which wouldn't make me mad on the near Northside.

I believe the Choice Neighborhoods grant that McCormack Baron received was only for planning on the O'Fallon Place/Preservation Square complex but hopefully it will lead to a hefty follow-on commitment like the $30 million Choice grant another McCormack Baron-led project received.... unfortunately in a Pittsburgh neighborhood!

Larimer's giant check and what it means
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/b ... l?page=all

At the core of the plan, two deteriorating housing developments with a combined 155 residential units, the Hamilton-Larimer public housing complex and the HUD-assisted East Liberty Gardens, will be replaced with newly built apartments. The new complexes will become part of a larger development plan for a total of 334 units of mixed-income housing...

Good news is McKee is on record acknowledging he needs MB's expertise on how to navigate the terrain of urban development. I do believe getting the near north side mixed-income is vital. And the trucking industry between 14th and Tucker also needs obliteration. We simply have some of the worst land uses imaginable adjacent to downtown.

quincunx · PostDec 13, 2016#182016-12-13T01:02+00:00

Stltoday - After nailing big housing grant, Slay now eyes sales tax hike for MetroLink expansion

Dozier also signaled another big project called for in the application would move forward: the redevelopment of the Carr School on 14th Street into a new Jonas Hubbard Jr. Family Center.

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... 0ece4.html

PostSep 24, 2022#192022-09-24T17:10+00:00

There's a demo permit application for Carr School. The permit app has $0 amount and no description. Anyone know what's going on?

preservation.research.office · PostSep 25, 2022#202022-09-25T21:16+00:00

quincunx wrote: ↑
Sep 24, 2022
There's a demo permit application for Carr School. The permit app has $0 amount and no description. Anyone know what's going on?

This could be an application for preliminary review of demolition by the Cultural Resources Office (CRO) and Preservation Board. Since Carr School would be considered High Merit under the preservation ordinance, only the Preservation Board can approve demolition -- cut the CRO staff will make a recommendation to us. I have no knowledge of what is going on, but the $0 demolition permits often are a step toward preliminary review of protected buildings.